THIS AFFECTS YOU - PLEASE READ AND DISCUSS!!!!! (Raise the Character Age Bracket???)

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No I'm with you Inc I just gotta play devils advocate sometimes so people stay focused I guess you could say. I always liked having to argue for the side I was against in debate class because it only strengthens your point. Anyone that abuses anything really can become toxic to those around them. There's a lot of subjects people talk about on here that is taken too far or abused would be equally wrong. BTW I know all about taking up arms my friend, I am actually in Afghanistan as we speak. 7 years in the army and 2 deployments. Fortunately I'm done after this one and I can get my life back lol
 
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Well good for you! I would serve in the service if there wasn't a risk of me being put on an airplane. I love my country, but I am sad to say that my fear of heights is an ultimate factor in just about anything that I do. Even when I hunt, regardless of my quarry (sometimes including bear and boar), my ass stays on the solid ground. To hell with tree stands! I got in one once, was only about twenty feet off of the ground, and made the mistake of peering over the edge. I got squeamish, my center of balance was thrown off, and I fell twenty feet to the ground with a loaded shotgun.

Pretty sure an airplane would give me a premature heart attack...

But I digress. The matter at hand does seem to be rather unanimous among those who have spoken up thus far, as you pointed out. That might be a hint that the change will be well received by the kinds of people that you would want in an online community. Those being individuals that are capable of speaking their minds and supporting their decisions with reason rather than 'because I said so' logic.
 
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I'm for it, I wouldn't even mind if it was 18.
 
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I'm personally for this, but what happens with the people who already have RP's in progress that have characters 13-16? (sorry if this was brought up already and I missed it)
 
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Meh. I'm wondering how many of the people wanting to raise the character age limit to 18 or 16 because of "ZOMG! Underage characters!" waited until they were 16 or 18 to have their first sexual experience.

It's a personal question, and none of my or anyone else's business. I certainly don't expect anyone to answer. I trust y'all understand the point I'm making in rhetorically posing that question.

But, at least in the United States, we are libertines in private and uptight prudes in public; "do as I say, not as I do (or once did)" is the rule of the day. Given the amount of sheer angst and moral panic over the very notion that anyone anywhere doesn't faithfully wait until their 18th birthday to even touch themselves funny let alone have actual intercourse, I can understand if the site admins feel pressured to raise the minimum age.
 
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Honestly there are a lot of Kinks out there that really just disgust me but it's whatever because they are of age. The idea in any way, fictional or real to have children doing sexual acts is really just disturbing to me. Children shouldn't ever be brought into sexual situations fictional or otherwise, they are children, it's disturbing to see someone taking an under developed 13 year old and forcing his cock into her. I can't see that ever be right in any circumstance....


Sorry meant to edit this earlier but my net went out..... I say that up there from experience because I have had people messaging me wanting a smutty RP with me where I play an under developed 13 year old girl.
 
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that this has nothing to do with social pressure. I am sure that the majority of the writers on this site live in countries where sixteen or eighteen is the legal limit for sexual intercourse and while most young people do not have the self control to contain themselves, we as adults do; or should. We should be able to make decisions based on what is best for the site and not what is best for our current sexual urges or desires. In other words; we should be able to think with our heads - not our dicks. This is an adult writing site and I have to assume that everyone here is an adult, as is the requirement to be here so I will hold everyone here to this standard. When anyone lost their virginity is not a factor in this decision (didn't loose mine until I was twenty, btw, so... yeah - open book syndrome.)

There might not be any laws prosecuting the site's current age limit, but laws change. They are written, re-written, and voted upon every day and there may come a time when Blue Moon will be subject to such laws under the threat of prosecution. It only makes sense to remedy the situation before it becomes a problem. Waiting until it is too late could cause a lot more trouble than it is worth.

Anyway, the matter at hand is moral; not social. At such young ages, your hormones make you stupid and cloud your inability to make coherent choices. This is especially bad in someone with such little life experience. While that aspect of the matter appeals to me in a fictional sense, I know that a lot of writers and role players cannot separate the fiction from the fact. It is because of this that this change is an important debate.
 
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Karameida said:
Honestly there are a lot of Kinks out there that really just disgust me but it's whatever because they are of age. The idea in any way, fictional or real to have children doing sexual acts is really just disturbing to me. Children shouldn't ever be brought into sexual situations fictional or otherwise, they are children, it's disturbing to see someone taking an under developed 13 year old and forcing his cock into her. I can't see that ever be right in any circumstance....

Fair enough. That covers stories about grown folk raping young teens. I can definitely understand that would be objectionable.

What about a story where a 14 year old girl meets a 15 year old boy from the wrong side of the tracks, and being hormonal and curious and daring, they decide to embark on a forbidden relationship because, you know, it feels good and right to them?
 
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In such an instance, you have to remember that anyone writing on this site is an adult. As adults, they should be able to understand while this scenarios is sweet and innocent to their characters, a government or law enforcement agency isn't going to give two shits about that if a law happens to be passed that could put Blue Moon under fire. While no such laws currently exist, they change daily, as I have already said. Preventative measures are the best measures.

Outside of that, there is no reason that such a scenario could not occur between the same girl at sixteen when the boy is seventeen, or at eighteen when the boy is nineteen; depending on where this debate is taken. If the girl has lived a sheltered life, then it would deliver the same effect mentally, which is what should be important in this situation. I see both sides because I love the idea of corrupting the pure, a concept that could easily carry from a fourteen year old girl to a sheltered, blossoming adult character of sixteen or eighteen.

If someone on this site is playing a scene with such young characters just for the purpose of putting young teens in sexual situations, then they may want to consider therapy because to be physically attracted to someone so much younger than you is not hormonally natural. If they are playing this scene for the innocence, then there are ways to find that purity within the confines of any set of rule.
 
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Incubus Dreams said:
In such an instance, you have to remember that anyone writing on this site is an adult. As adults, they should be able to understand while this scenarios is sweet and innocent to their characters, a government or law enforcement agency isn't going to give two shits about that if a law happens to be passed that could put Blue Moon under fire. While no such laws currently exist, they change daily, as I have already said. Preventative measures are the best measures.

As I said in my OP, if the site admins are proposing the change because of legal pressure (perceived or actual), that's understandable. IMHO there are much much better uses of law enforcement resources than going after people writing sex stories, but this country has never given a damn whether writing and enforcing laws actually improves anything or delivers societal benefits proportional to resources expended, so that's neither here nor there.

Outside of that, there is no reason that such a scenario could not occur between the same girl at sixteen when the boy is seventeen, or at eighteen when the boy is nineteen; depending on where this debate is taken. If the girl has lived a sheltered life, then it would deliver the same effect mentally, which is what should be important in this situation. I see both sides because I love the idea of corrupting the pure, a concept that could easily carry from a fourteen year old girl to a sheltered, blossoming adult character of sixteen or eighteen.

Maybe, maybe not. Art is rather subjective.

If someone on this site is playing a scene with such young characters just for the purpose of putting young teens in sexual situations, then they may want to consider therapy because to be physically attracted to someone so much younger than you is not hormonally natural. If they are playing this scene for the innocence, then there are ways to find that purity within the confines of any set of rule.

So then should we consider people who produce or enjoy bank heist movies to be potential bank robbers? Is anyone who likes Friday the 13th or Halloween or Dexter a potential serial killer? When we start suspecting people based on their artistic tastes, where do we draw the line?
 
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Where to draw the line is not for me to decide. I am simply saying that if you are, let's say twenty-eight to pull a general average out of the air, then you really should not be physically attracted to persons under the age of eighteen. This is said not only with morality in mind, but with hormonal balance as well. Your body has long since ceased its development and theirs is just starting (dependent on how young we are talking, of course). In the current human genome, evolved over the years as society has advanced from the Dark Ages, your body should not find them 'sexy'.

The ideal is a mental issue for me, centering on the purity of such characters, (which may not be much better in all honesty), but I could at least carry my interest in this matter over into a more age-appropriate threshold. If you are not capable of doing that as well then perhaps there are underlying issues that you must explore. I say this not to cause argument or present hostility, mind you. I say this because depicting thirteen year old girls as 'art' isn't the proper term. A photograph is art, but if you took a photograph of a naked child, that is child pornography.

This is a sensitive subject matter which needs to be approached rationally from both sides. Asking passive-aggressive questions is not constructive to either argument.
 
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Incubus Dreams said:
The ideal is a mental issue for me, centering on the purity of such characters, (which may not be much better in all honesty), but I could at least carry my interest in this matter over into a more age-appropriate threshold. If you are not capable of doing that as well then perhaps there are underlying issues that you must explore. I say this not to cause argument or present hostility, mind you. I say this because depicting thirteen year old girls as 'art' isn't the proper term. A photograph is art, but if you took a photograph of a naked child, that is child pornography.

So, you like first-person shooter console games? Sounds like a mental issue with enjoying violence then. Surely you could get your entertainment in a more appropriate way, right? If you have to blow people away in a virtual environment to be entertained, if that excites you, then perhaps there are underlying issues you must explore. I say this because killing people isn't a game. Adventuring and finding treasure in a virtual setting is entertainment, but if you shoot, stab and blast people, that's murder.

See how I could rephrase that so easily to encompass a different form of art/entertainment?
 
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I have to side with Karen on this one. You can't criminolize someone because of something their interested in artisticly. Majority of all movie and video games involve themes immoral or illegal I'm real life. Another point is age isn't really the question when it comes down to it. Age is just a rule of thumb for maturity. I know 16 year olds more mature and wiser than people in the thirties and full grown adults that never should have graduated elementary school. Maturity level especially when similar between the two consenting individuals is what really matters. In cases with young people it isn't always the writers fantasy to do whatever it is they are writing. A lot of time people are living out childhood fantasies that they want to relive or live differently. No different than parents who put there children into sports or activities because they wish they had had that opportunity as a child.

I like to write about incest but I have never done it nor plan to. I don't want to have sex with my mom but that interaction between fictional characters is a turn on for me. I don't know why but it is. That's not my fault but if experiencing it in a safe and victimless setting helps me to satisfy that than why not. Its all the same through and through. As long as its victimless than I don't see any real reason to be against it, I just won't read about it.

As far as trying to preemptively change rules based off laws that may or may not one day exist is an idiotic and endless cycle. We could argue that writing about any sexual act could become illegal some day so we should just make the site PG to be safe. If there is a change in laws some day I am sure we will all be aware and adjust accordingly. In the end all I wanna say is oppression is never the answer.
 
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KarenNelson said:
So, you like first-person shooter console games? Sounds like a mental issue with enjoying violence then. Surely you could get your entertainment in a more appropriate way, right? If you have to blow people away in a virtual environment to be entertained, if that excites you, then perhaps there are underlying issues you must explore. I say this because killing people isn't a game. Adventuring and finding treasure in a virtual setting is entertainment, but if you shoot, stab and blast people, that's murder.

See how I could rephrase that so easily to encompass a different form of art/entertainment?

I actually do not overly enjoy FPS games. I like strategy games, myself. At any rate, this passive-aggressiveness is not constructive. If anything, it is detrimental to your side of the argument. It makes you sound rebellious and aggressive, which is one of the reasons DA wants to implement this new policy.

Viking Panda presents a more fair argument; albeit the same argument that is just presented in a much more civil manner. Still, I feel that the age should be increased if the rule is being abused to enact pedophillific fantasies. Allowing such things attracts the kind of people than none of us are going to want to have around. Yes, stalkers and predators will always be a threat on adult writing sites such as this, but allowing such loose rules invites in more of the little buggers. I can only assume that none of us want to be woken up by FuckYurFace345 knocking on our front door at three AM with a rag of chloroform.
 
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To be short: "I don't give a shit."

But really. Would be the world changing with these new rules? No.
Would our creativity and fantasies cut and put into brackets? Sure!

I would much more like pushing the age limit of BEING on this site to 21!
 
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Incubus Dreams said:
I actually do not overly enjoy FPS games. I like strategy games, myself. At any rate, this passive-aggressiveness is not constructive. If anything, it is detrimental to your side of the argument. It makes you sound rebellious and aggressive, which is one of the reasons DA wants to implement this new policy.

The question was rhetorical. But rather than address the points I make, you simply label me "passive-aggressive," which IMHO is psychobabble bordering on ad hominem, designed to obfuscate the issue being discussed: the fallacy of casting aspersions on peoples' character based on their tastes in art and entertainment. Much like people who equate the statements of a character in a novel with the author's outlook on the matter.

So you have your opinion and I have mine. Let's leave it at that.
 
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I could not agree more, which is why this thread was made. DA wanted a consensus on how the rest of the community felt about this potential change.
 
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vikingpanda said:
I have to side with Karen on this one. You can't criminolize someone because of something their interested in artisticly. Majority of all movie and video games involve themes immoral or illegal I'm real life. Another point is age isn't really the question when it comes down to it. Age is just a rule of thumb for maturity. I know 16 year olds more mature and wiser than people in the thirties and full grown adults that never should have graduated elementary school. Maturity level especially when similar between the two consenting individuals is what really matters. In cases with young people it isn't always the writers fantasy to do whatever it is they are writing. A lot of time people are living out childhood fantasies that they want to relive or live differently. No different than parents who put there children into sports or activities because they wish they had had that opportunity as a child.

I like to write about incest but I have never done it nor plan to. I don't want to have sex with my mom but that interaction between fictional characters is a turn on for me. I don't know why but it is. That's not my fault but if experiencing it in a safe and victimless setting helps me to satisfy that than why not. Its all the same through and through. As long as its victimless than I don't see any real reason to be against it, I just won't read about it.

As far as trying to preemptively change rules based off laws that may or may not one day exist is an idiotic and endless cycle. We could argue that writing about any sexual act could become illegal some day so we should just make the site PG to be safe. If there is a change in laws some day I am sure we will all be aware and adjust accordingly. In the end all I wanna say is oppression is never the answer.

Bravo.

And, interestingly enough, I had actually been thinking about a roleplay based on a relationship I had when I was young. A "what if this had gone differently," pretty much in line with what you described.
 
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Hi, BlueMoon members. My understanding is that this is a discussion about raising the age bar for RPs from 13 to 16. I'm personally fine with this. The only reason the staff is doing it seems to be because of certain individuals who are continuously trying to break/subvert the 'no loli/shota' rule. It's saddening that there are still people trying to do so, since it's plainly visible rule, and quite frankly makes sense to me. The only real issue with the change, in my opinion, are the RPs about fandoms where the characters are younger than 16, and RPing certain eras, where you were expected to be married, and even getting pregnant by 13-15. Those are fixable by adjusting the setting, since it's a fandom. They don't have to be pinpoint exact, perfectly matching the source material. The staff wishes this to be an adult site, and that the characters involved in the RPs are able to think about sex, and are curious about it. In other words, all characters involved in sex scenes are in or past puberty. If you wish for sex scenes with a child, go somewhere else. With the Internet there is bound to be a site that lets you do so somewhere. This site is already lenient with a variety of moral situations. It shouldn't be hard to go along with one moral that the staff has been perfectly clear on. The fact that it is still an issue, and forces the staff to change another rule to get the point across, is sad.
 
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Dr. Jonathan Crane said:
I'm personally for this, but what happens with the people who already have RP's in progress that have characters 13-16? (sorry if this was brought up already and I missed it)

This will probably be a separate discussion, but I'm fine with leaving them up.

KarenNelson said:
Meh. I'm wondering how many of the people wanting to raise the character age limit to 18 or 16 because of "ZOMG! Underage characters!" waited until they were 16 or 18 to have their first sexual experience.

It's a personal question, and none of my or anyone else's business. I certainly don't expect anyone to answer. I trust y'all understand the point I'm making in rhetorically posing that question.

But, at least in the United States, we are libertines in private and uptight prudes in public; "do as I say, not as I do (or once did)" is the rule of the day. Given the amount of sheer angst and moral panic over the very notion that anyone anywhere doesn't faithfully wait until their 18th birthday to even touch themselves funny let alone have actual intercourse, I can understand if the site admins feel pressured to raise the minimum age.

The reason I let the limit be 13 was for quite similar thoughts. I don't like 'denying reality', and don't like pretending something that happens doesn't. My first opportunity was when I was 15. I still hit myself for being too prudish to take her up on that. There are literary examples going even younger than we allowed. I had a 15 year old wizard in a D&D game, and it was often pointed out just what sort of antics that boy would probably be up to if he ever caught a break (he made it to 17th level before the campaign quit - and still was far from catching a break). The thought of having to make him 16 irks me.

This is really, primarily about the sorts of people that the 13-15 roleplays attract. A lot of them are best described as 'fucking creepy'. I don't want them here. Many of them are giving the impression that they don't imagine them to be 13 at all. Another group that plays in the 13-15 range has no business being here, either.

Is the occasional good use of this age range worth the draw it has on the above two groups?

My thought is no. Especially not considering the specific nature of those two groups. You can always make friends here first, then talk over specific story ideas that are 'taboo' with said friends, and do the roleplay over IM or email or something. Then that's between you. I won't judge you, most who would won't have the opportunity to judge you, and life's peachy.

The draw for the above-mentioned groups is much less, and they stick out more. Win/win.
 
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Honestly, it's not about what you personally enjoy. A lot of people can't seem to get it through their heads that this isn't an attack on you or your artistic tastes. Legally, it's a bit risky as it is to have 13 with puberty be the cut off in the first place. 16 is still a reasonable age to roleplay with if you'd like to do something with teenagers. Innocence is still there, as is the idea that these teens have not had sex. Virginity in the teenage years is not impossible, and there are many people who have waited until at least their 20's to engage in intercourse. Just because a majority of people might behave a certain way, that doesn't change the validity or the actuality of another choice.

There are a number of people on site who can and do engage in tasteful roleplays within the current guidelines, and we acknowledge them. It really isn't as much about age as it is about the behavior of those who engage in distasteful roleplays and push the limit to the point of near breakage. The reason that has been brought up by the ADMINS of the site, is that staff are concerned about people who choose to abuse the current rules and skirt around the issues. These are people who have taken things to a whole different level.

Honestly, I'd be more comfortable with it sitting at age 16 because of the legal issue alone. This decision, though, is mostly made to deter those who would abuse the current system. And it isn't like we haven't been totally up front with members about the issue before. There have been numerous announcements about loli/shota, and we've had to update rule lists with very specific clarifications because some people couldn't get it through their thick skulls that it isn't allowed here. Please understand that we're not trying to attack anyone. Our intention is to make this place better for everyone, and if that means raising the bar THREE YEARS, then so be it.

Unfortunately, I have to say this: if you don't like it, then you don't have to stay here. Be my guest and search for a more accommodating site. But I think you'll be hard-pressed to find a staff who care so much about the community they serve.
 
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Vekseid and Candira said it better than I did, but those were the basic points that I was trying to make. While I am indifferent on the matter, I can certainly understand why some people are not.
 
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My only question in this thread is something i don't think has been adressed yet, what about threads that are already in progress? I am currently involved in a highschool romance thread between two anime neko's one of which is an 18 year old boy trying to court a 15 year old girl. Under this rule would I have to stop a thread that I have come to enjoy posting in? Or would threads made before this rule be allowed to continue?

This site is massive and my current rp is over six pages long since my character is a senior in highschool it's not like we could just time skip away the fact that the female is under age by this ruling. (as he would no longer be in highschool and the point is defeated) Would I be banned if I were to continue in a thread that has been going on harmlessly for months? or would these threads become the exception to the rule?

I can't imagine I would be the only person to have this particular problem, and while I can see why the age limit would be bumped, I have partaken in a number of threads where characters have been 14+ and honestly rp being rp I never saw really a problem in it. age is a factor in story telling, and for me my favorite parings happen to be teacherxstudent and brotherxsister. These are pairings most easily done with younger characters. For me the age factor of a character is set to what works best for the story. So yeah I am not so much worried about changing the rule, but rather what happens to the threads already in progress. Will I have to give up the love story that me and another person have been crafting for months just because of a rule change, because that doesn't seem fair.
 
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Malin, a lot of people share your concern. It's been brought up in this thread several times, and like Vek said, it's probably just going to be addressed in a different thread.
 
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Well my opinion on the matter.

-Policing the Rule-
Personally I'm not too fond of the idea, but have to admit I've always seen the 13 limit as a bit gracious. I mean other sites I go to only allow 18 and they're absolutely nazi about it. While I'm all for a member-friendly community, I really don't want to see BM degrade itself to the point where staff members are breathing down everyone's necks posting "Please clarify the age of your characters." Half the time characters aren't even intended to be underage, and it just looks bad on the community. Policing is important, but things need to be done in moderation.

-Pedophiles & Offenders-
Personally I'm finding it a bit hard to believe the initial statement, as I've been exposed to predatory/stalkery behavior both on BM, and on other sites where people want to get a bit too personal. I am of course over the age of 18, and can deal with it myself. But I just thought I'd point out that the correlation between rule breakers and people playing younger characters seems a bit... biased in my opinion. Obviously they're the offenders that are trying to find loopholes with the younger characters, but that's just one aspect of the rules, and it'd be unfair to label them as rulebreakers in general. (Aka: Just cause they try and break one rule, that doesn't mean they're any less prone to breaking other rules)

-Raising the age to 18, 21-
To be honest, I'm not completely against raising it to 16, but any higher would probably impact my interest here on BMR. And I doubt I'd be the only one. As stated prior, I'm on a few other sites that have a 18+ character rule, and frankly that cuts out the highschool years completely. A period/setting I'm rather fond of Rping. This might be a bit too personal, but my first sexual experience was during my highschool years, and I'm sure that applies to a fair few others as well. (Certainly wasn't 13, but later year highschool).

Furthermore, having 18+ Brother/Sister Rp's detracts from the appeal there as well. I moved out of home when I was 18, and while I've never had a brother. The idea of 'sibiling sexual taboo' isn't as strong after the 18 bar. Other things would be affected too, but seeing as the suggestion at present is 16, I'll leave it at that.

-Focus and Objective-
As stated countless times, it's up to the administration team of BMR to decide, but I'd like to point out that it's important to keep focused on the issue, and the problem you're aiming to solve. I've read through the posts thus far, and I can completely understand why some people have misinterpreted the objective of this rule as an 'attack' on a certain kink.

I won't say people's opinions are invalid, (since they are important) but a lot of support seems at the moment seems to be
"I don't like it, up the bar."
That's like me saying, "I don't like Futa's, they should be banned" or "incest/ageplay is gross and shouldn't be allowed"
I understand that this isn't the reasons behind why the staff brought it up. But too many people have expressed support based on a simple dislike for the kink. Scat disgusts a lot of us, that doesn't mean it should be banned as a whole.

-Overall-
If there's strong evidence that upping the minimum character age to 16 will improve player behavior, and weed out less desirable players, then I'm willing to support the change. My biggest personal concern with this rule change is that I like using visuals, anime visuals at that for Rping, and as most are aware, they tend to look a bit younger than the creator officially announces. My biggest concern regarding this change therefore is the attitude change from staff. BMR is currently my favorite adult RP site due to it's friendly community.

I was intending to not contrast, but I'll just outright say it. Eros's minimum age used to be 16, and that worked pretty well. (Support for the change) however, the moment the age limitation was upped to 18, the community started getting a bit unpleasant for me. I'm not bitter about it seeing as I was never banned, or even warned. But after a few weeks I just stopped checking the site, and after just checking in on it now, I can see it's changed very little from the time I left.

-Final Word-
This is a creative writing forum, and in all honesty I think it's unnecessary to place this restriction down. The matter at hand should be focused on the benefits and objectives of the change, not the personal bias and uneasiness towards younger characters. I do not believe that roleplaying as a minor in a sexual situation is going to create any criminal pedophiles off this site, and if people enjoy a certain kink, then it's something for them to enjoy, and those opposed to avoid. If people want to get into 'moral/biological' issues, then incest, ageplay, mutilation, and a whole bunch of other kinks need to be addressed as well, and doing so would detract from the creative/enjoyment people can get from this forum. To be honest I think Father/Daughter or Mother/Son incest Rp's are a much bigger issue than a 13 year old girl, and 15 year old guy going at it as that's more reflective of the dreaded pedophilia being discussed.

I'll be happy to continue my stay here with the limit increased to 16. But any further and I'll probably look elsewhere for my adult Rping. Even with the 16 age limitation though, my biggest concern, and sincerest wish is that the overall attitude and atmosphere of the site remain unchanged. I come to BMR to enjoy myself (pun? xD) not to watch people shoving values at each other and witch hunting certain players.
 
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