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Forbidden Fruit

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A writing fetish I have involves femboys and gender transformations. I'd like to explain that because a lot of the people approaching me with requests tend to have a different way of looking at this particular kink.

I don't find effeminate men sexy. I don't find femboys attractive.

I like humiliation & degradation. When an alpha man finds himself 'outmanned' and reduced to a submissive slut, it is darkly comic and interesting. I enjoy character building that takes on such an arc, where confidence is slowly shattered. While I do enjoy cliche scenarios of men dominating women, it is men establishing superiority over their peers is that I find more fascinating. This is why I'm less likely to write a story with a character that starts as a femboy, but I'm more willing to write as a regular guy who undergoes that journey. The potential for a man to look incredibly feminine is also sexy.

I also enjoy gender transformations on another comical level. I feel men and women think differently, and if one mind travels to another gender's body, hilarity ensues. I guess I've been exposed to too many comedy movies that deal with that plot that I became interested. Though I do acquiesce its more difficult to capture that comedic potential in an RP.

As for real life, I'm pretty basic. I don't have a lot of wild kink tbh. I'm mostly attracted to intelligence and witty humor.
 
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Uhm... Well I've only just been allowed onto this site; 18, and so I can't say that I've explored plenty of fetishes, nor would I claim to have experienced even a quarter of the ones mentioned on this thread. I've become used to playing a submissive male or a dominant male... Each giving different perspectives to what the other person would like. Naturally what I choose will come down to what the other person wants, as opposed to myself, but recently I've checked into newer forms of roleplay which are quite... Mm... Different, to say the least, than from what I expect.

Regardless, I find myself interested in roleplay with typical female users. "But Fledge, WTF! WHY DOES IT MATTER?!" I'm sure even some girls can sympathise but due to my noobness I'd feel much more comfortable knowing that it's a female. Not because it's a great turn on but because they have a greater perspective on what I seek as well as tending to think in a way that is unfamiliar to my own. With this in mind, I'd like to ask any would-be female viewers of this post to send me a PM if you just feel you want to chat... I feel at home about females and I find I wait a godawful long time for my roleplaying partners to respond to my own. Sexist? Maybe. Could be said that turn on's are inherently sexist and thus makes everyone a hypocrite if they see me as such... Before I continue to ramble and perhaps offend more people... I shall depart.

Good day and happy roleplay.~
 
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Hey there! Welcome.
You know, I've been RPing for a long time (granted, not such a long time compared to some other posters) and I also prefer a male's perspective, though I will RP with anyone writing a convincing male character. It's okay to have preferences.
I would bet most people haven't experienced (in real life) many of the fetishes they write about, especially the more extremes ones and certainly those not naturally possible ;) Though there can be overlap for sure...
Can you tell me more about turn ons being inherently sexist? I'm genuinely curious?
 
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RedRose said:
Hey there! Welcome.
You know, I've been RPing for a long time (granted, not such a long time compared to some other posters) and I also prefer a male's perspective, though I will RP with anyone writing a convincing male character. It's okay to have preferences.
I would bet most people haven't experienced (in real life) many of the fetishes they write about, especially the more extremes ones and certainly those not naturally possible ;) Though there can be overlap for sure...
Can you tell me more about turn ons being inherently sexist? I'm genuinely curious?
I've been roleplaying for a long time but... I mostly do plot progression through OC and original lore. I suppose it's been a while since I started so I assume myself to be at least average or above average in terms of responses while I find that if I'm in more of a creative mood then that'll earn better responses from me so... A happy boy is a writing boy... Waiting is simply a mood killer and a drag.

I'd be concerned, in all honesty, if people had roleplayed out even half of what they claim to do in ERP as it's all seemingly fantasy or... Unrealistic. It's why we sought out creative writing in the first place, is it not? Where weird, wacky and original lore lies so too does the sexual pressies also arise in both strange and wonderful ways. Enough from my personal thoughts, though, heh.

'Inherently sexist turn on' - When I wrote this, I did it to assure that I am a straight male who desires the domination of a female. Females provide more realistic responses both inside dom and outside of it. A female is a female and as such, just as psychology will tell us; you cannot put a man into a room and say 'be a girl' because that is simply ludicrous. Of course, it works vice versa. 'convincing' But for me, it's not enough, I'm afraid. Now let's explore a different viewpoint. I have roleplayed out, recently, a 'cuntboy'. This character has never had stimulation down there and as such I can give a fresh response of how he personally receives it but also by accumulating information from sub females in the past, I feel I can make it a situation where a boy didn't use his vagina and now he has one and it's new and this is how he responds to this dom pressing their wrath down onto him. I am not providing a female outlook. Not at all. I am providing to my roleplay partner what I've seen, heard and know about female stimulation... I include that as well as how a boy could react to it as I am one myself.

Perhaps I'd gone slightly off topic but my point still stands: 'inherently sexist turn ons' originate from the desire to be with that of the opposite sex with clear knowledge that they possess the required knowledge that you seek through their own personal experiences. I'd go into 'unrealistic' turn ons but that's a completely different thing... When nature is concerned, that is. A woman with big breasts may not understand fully what it is to have breasts 10x her own size but it's convincing. A woman can roleplay the use of a penis but not the persona of a male or the mindset that comes with it. They may take on a masculine role but... I've learned that genders take things different ways.

'sexist' in nature cannot be blamed on a person... It's hilarious to try. 'Get hard for that gay guy!' and unless the person being demanded to become erect likes doms? I don't think it'll sprout any time soon. Regardless, it's a skill to be able to play male and female but people will always lean toward what they like best... Be it OOC gender or IC gender. I'm sorry if this wasn't enough or didn't satisfy your question but... I tried so...
 

Rudolph Quin

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I don't like the term sexist when it comes to fetishes. I know this is a little off topic but it kind of relates to fetishes and how people perceive them. So, long as we're explaining why we like them, sometimes judgements still get thrown around. Like, my first thought with the dick cheese comment at the top of this page was, "Now there's someone who deserves to be ridiculed and shamed for their fetish..." but then I thought of how that truly affected me and realized, not at all. It is okay for me to be personally disgusted by the thought of dick cheese but to denigrate someone else for liking that? Why? What purpose does that serve. I think it is important to the discussion of people's personal likes and dislikes not to get caught up in what is "right" or "wrong."* Some people like rape-play in role-play and real life but are horrified and disgusted by rapists. The whole point of fetish and attraction is that it is uncontrollable. It is a gut reaction, a physical reaction, where the body responds in a way to seeing something, reading about something, or doing something, that leads to sexual gratification.

So, sexist in this context feels misplaced and I would caution against using that word to describe something you have no control over. Because it waters down the true impact of sexism in real life, in the words and actions of people in real life to designate certain sexes/genders as superior to another. THAT is a real troublesome thing that actually exists and needs to be stopped and watering down what we identify as sexist can make it harder to identify and the outrage we need to feel when it does happen. Having a sexual preference where it breaks your immersion and fantasy to be with a certain gender is not harming anybody when two people consent and agree to engage in this sort of sexual play. So long as you still treat everyone with respect, I think you'll be okay. ^__^ Because all you're denying someone when you say, "I only wish to rp with real off-on screen women" is access to sex with you, either in real life or in rp. That's it. You're not saying they can't have sex with whoever they want or be whoever they want in rp. You have every right to consent to certain acts.

I just wanted to add my two cents about that, since it can get a little sensitive when this is brought up. People feel the need to apologize beforehand for their desires and that is not okay. Then people feel entitled to get offended by someone else's sexual desires and that is not okay. Like me and the someone out there who likes dick cheese and gets off on that; how much does that affect me, really?

*unless we're talking about real-life consent and causing harm to other people/animals.
 
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Had a discussion about incest just awhile ago: I like fictional incest, something that most of gaming/rp/writing friends know already, but for Real-World, I'm not.. it's very, very situational. The thing is, Real-World incest is heavily intertwined with coercion, dubcon and imbalance of power, things that are generally okay (and even considered fetishes themselves) in fiction but quickly going to 'horrifying' and 'should involve the police' in reality. Especially when/if children are involved.

Some other fetishes are just impractical to do in real life, even more so considering how everyone is carrying phones that can take pictures/record videos nowadays, or the complications from arranging multi-partner/cheating scenarios, or the health concerns.
 

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Rudolph Quin said:
The whole point of fetish and attraction is that it is uncontrollable. It is a gut reaction, a physical reaction, where the body responds in a way to seeing something, reading about something, or doing something, that leads to sexual gratification.
Just to pick out this line, that's a very good point. One of the things that makes sex and sexuality such an interesting subject for me is how it can bypass so much of our civilised standards and behaviour. Hence why what we find sexy is so often at odds with who we are in other aspects of life--politically incorrect, shocking, tasteless or unsettling to others and ourselves. Sex is the ultimate subversive force, that can express itself for different people through virtually anything.

One thing that first set me thinking on the subject was reading some books by Nancy Friday, who wrote a series of books analysing sexual fantasies and talking about how they can stem from the standards of behaviour and gender roles that are drilled into us as children and teenagers (or were--they were published during the 70's and 80's). Really interesting stuff.
 
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I think there's more "wrong" to father/daughter or mother/son than "just" inbreeding damages. The entire "child abuse" thing should be part of that taboo as well, no?
Like... for years my child' life lay in my hands... my baby would have died if i did not feed it, etc. etc. Later on it is "my child's psychological well-being lay in my hands".
The power abuse aspect... "Im your parent, i confiscate your phone if you don't have sex with me" thing.
So I disagree strongly that it's just inbreeding damages that make those pairings taboo.

It's a kink and it's ok to rp that out. Heck... i play a LOT of things that are taboo and don't want to be judged for them. So... play whatever you like. Im just saying "parent/child" incest is not only a taboo because of genetics.
 
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I'm just fucked in the head. I make no excuses for my kinks and I'm not even really sure how I developed them. All I know is most of the things that I like to roleplay would make me physically sick or send me into a psychotic rage if I saw them happen in real life.
 

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Can't speak for everyone, but my biggest kinks are the things that seem to go through a few phases in my head: near-phobic revulsion, then curiosity, then fascination. Occasionally, revelations about my own life and who I am. Which is... always a thing to experience, and probably explains the aversion in the first place.

The ones that don't work for me are the ones that just... I can't figure out where the joy is, I guess? Not that I can't see it in the hypothetical sense, but that I can't seem to manage to get into it myself. The main one that I can think of in the minute being vore- it's just so... cartoonish? That I just can't seem to click with it. Which doesn't mean I never will- all it takes is one person doing it right and changing my mind, ha- but I'm yet to quite get there.
 
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Hmmm my fetishes have been pretty random from playing a prince type boyfriend with a wild kinky side in bed, to playing a highstrung actress or a singer. I'm the type of person who can try about anything once or twice before I can get pretty tired of it, but if the person is nice and is willing to bare with me knowing that I don't know the structure of their kink all that well I won't argue about it.

Then again I've had my share of weird rps
 

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I don't understand futa at all. I kinda like incest because it's taboo. I have thought about it with my dad and a few other relatives of mine. I got into rape because of me being raped when I was young by my female high school tutor. Took a while after it happened before I started enjoying it. I love bondage because of the pain but I really love it because I have absolutely no control or say so over what happens to me. I mean with rape you can get out of it by fighting your way out of it. But with bondage, your tied up your at the mercy of someone.
 

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Hi, I have LOTS of crazy kinks. You're welcome to ask me about them, but I'll talk about some of the biggest ones... which all seem to center on a total loss of control, mentally.

I am a perfectionist. I'm extremely conscious of every word I say, every action I take, and I build up a ton of pressure on myself to do well in every way. In RP, I can let my hair down a bit, since I consider it "sketching" rather than trying to create a finished work... but that's beside the point. I like to engage with characters being forced to give in, having their minds altered and generally fucked with... likely because I, myself, can't fucking relax and enjoy anything for two seconds. So of course, I have a kink for being forced to enjoy something. Hypnosis is huge for me because of this... because it lets me give in, hand over control to someone else, and relax. When hypnotized, you don't worry about how you look, or if you're going to upset someone, or generally all that other shit that my stress and anxiety disorders do to my brain. It's quite nice.

I also think a lot of my interests involving less-humanoid characters come from a sense of bodily dysphoria. If you don't feel right in your own skin, you start exploring other possibilities of what "you" could be... an animal, a demon, a monster? Well, for me it's actually just gender stuff, but the idea stands... if the genitals and gender presentation I had were wrong, what might be "right"? And then I started exploring different body types... and realizing that many things work for me, haha.
 
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The futa kink for me developed after I got into lesbian porn (the only kind of porn I watch now, except for futa) I started really getting into strap-on lesbian porn and I've also been an avid purveyor of hentai since I hit puberty, so naturally these two fetishes of lesbians with strapons and Hentai coalesced into Futa.

As for Furries... come on. Lola bunny from space jam, cheetara from thunder cats, cheetah from the DC universe, so on and so forth... how furries aren't WAY more common is a mystery to me considering what cartoons we grew up with.

How did I get into hentai?... come on, SAILOR FUCKING MOON!
 
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I think Futa is fun because it's a hybrid. Men are easier to get off, this is a simple fact. As a dom, I find futas as alot of fun to play with because the penis is fun to play with. That being said, I'm sure you could go into power and control and how for eons women have been subjugated for lack of something between their legs.

Rape is sort of the ultimate power fantasy. Most kinks are about power to some degree, either giving or taking power. Even a blow job. Rape is in a way the ultimate version of this. Plus I think knowing what it does to people, everyone sort of wonders what it would be like to do it. Like fucking a porn star.

Sorry if repeating what others have already said.
 
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I think Futa is fun because it's a hybrid. Men are easier to get off, this is a simple fact. As a dom, I find futas as alot of fun to play with because the penis is fun to play with. That being said, I'm sure you could go into power and control and how for eons women have been subjugated for lack of something between their legs.

Rape is sort of the ultimate power fantasy. Most kinks are about power to some degree, either giving or taking power. Even a blow job. Rape is in a way the ultimate version of this. Plus I think knowing what it does to people, everyone sort of wonders what it would be like to do it. Like fucking a porn star.

Sorry if repeating what others have already said.
Just stating that women are not necessarily harder to get off. I can tell you as a bisexual woman of 39 year of age, that it depends on the woman.
 
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I like nudity. Why? Well you see, I like being im my skin very much. It feels good. Air on my parts and nothing to hide. Thats how I spend most of my time at my home
 
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I've had a lot of time to brainstorm about my kinks since they been part of me for some time now. I have quite a few, so it is hard for me to just think of a few to write about. I guess I should write about my main ones! Maybe this will get too personal, but honestly, if I don't talk about this stuff in a place like this, where will I ever? I love psychology, I love trying to figure out this strange mind of mine and of others, and so I'm pretty passionate about this topic in general. Let's be real:

I've always loved aspects of BDSM before I knew what it was. I became used to being victimized throughout my life and left to enjoy strange parts of it throughout. I'd find myself weirdly thrilled eventually when my bullies from childhood came around even though at the same time I wanted them to shove off. I remember the first time I learned what rape was, as disgusted as I was, I felt strangely intrigued by the idea, the fantasy of it more than the crime. Then, when was young, I was manipulated and extorted by a man much older than me for a handful of months which left me baffled, violated, but excited. What was done to me was wrong, but it would be stupid to say at this point to say it didn't leave me with some haunting kinks. I don't really care anymore, even though I wouldn't mind his ass beat. It pried open the door to some pretty taboo stuff for me. For the record, when enjoying my kinks, I don't think back about what happened to me. I'm always worried that someone might assume this if I'm honest about this fact.

My first Master that I was with, well, we were young and it didn't last very long. At that point, I already was pretty kinky but still was lacking a lot of experience to know for sure. A close friend/crush of mine was interested in similar things, so we thought we would give it a shot. I remember so clearly him dropping a collar on my lap and ordering me to put it on. I was frozen. I wanted to so obey and feel the collar around my throat so badly, but I was completely stunned in embarrassment from finally getting what I've been wanting and simply know what a collar meant. I remember being so tensed that my body ached.

He asked me if I wanted to wear it after I struggled to react. I managed to nod, but I still remained frozen and staring at the collar. I was so worried he would think I was stepping back, but I couldn't will myself to do it as much as I wanted it. Perhaps, I wanted it too badly, as well as mixing in some fear and timidness. However, it turned out more impactful than I ever thought. Knowing it was what I wanted, he took the collar from me and put it on. I couldn't look at him. I was stunned and shaking, and I didn't understand why.

He pulled me by the collar and gave me the deepest kiss that we shared together, and I was done. Done. Done. Done. My fate was sealed; my fixation was set. This had to a constant variable in my life. I felt a part of my core crawl straight to the surface and bloomed. A part of me awakened with a simple pull of a collar and kiss. I remember how sweet... how potent the word, Master, was to whisper. I knew after that night I'd never be the same. Out of all the things that can be done in BDSM, that simple gesture was a mindfucky awakening for me. It was truly surreal. Nothing ever felt more right instinctively. Honestly, it had nothing to do with him. I say that since I was a lot more immature then, that relationship was mainly fooling around and experimenting, but it was the first time that I really felt the submissive in me. It was the first time that all my kinks, all the self-bondage, and lewd thoughts in my head connected. It became a big part of my identity from the point forward. It gnaws at me like an addiction or a critical need.

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Sadly, my life hasn't been the greatest, and lots I won't be mentioning here, but I dealt with a controlling mother. Not that I want anyone like my mom in my life, but I've become comfortable with someone else in control. While this might sound familiar to some, having a controlling parent isn't the most abnormal thing out there, but my mother also had very strict control of my emotions, So much so, I was basically brainwashed. When I moved away from her, it was insane how the veil was lifted. it is hard to explain without going into many details.

What I'm trying to get at, for the sake of this conversation, is that I had to always had to have the ideal intensity of emotions or my mom would lose her shit. Turned out I was born with a pretty sensitive temperament, so I'm guessing you guys can probably imagine how that went. She went as far as to try to control my emotions by punishing me for them and trying to reinforce me with gifts that were usually of happy faces. Happy face shirts, happy face cups, happy face necklaces, happy face pencil holder, happy face... everything! To this day, if I do see her, if she finds something happy face, she'd still give it to me. While this might seem like a kind gesture, it wasn't.

To her, if I'm happy, I should be elated. If I was upset, it better be over in five seconds without a single tear. If not, I was screamed at and emotionally abused for hours. She convinced me that I was basically some emotional monster even when I didn't have an anger problem, didn't cause any trouble (other than maybe being a bit annoying), and usually tried to keep to myself. This left me needing to suppress emotions. I wasn't allowed to have a bad day and cry in my room like a typical kid or teen without my mom screaming on the top of her lungs. If I wasn't happy enough, I was yelled at for being ungrateful. To this day, I can never win with her. I was never allowed to just feel. I was never allowed to be scared, mad, heartbroken, and even when I was content, I would have to play 20 questions on if I was okay or not since I wasn't blazing happy. I'd be fine, she still wouldn't believe me, and she would freak out until things weren't fine. Then I was hit with an "I told you so, you liar." If I started crying more because I was getting yelled at, I was punished even more. She would get such a crazy look in her eyes as soon as it looked like that I may cry over something. It was a nightmare. There is a lot more, but I'll leave that there. (Eeeep, maybe too much venting there, but I know this kink is weird).

This is where the kink comes in. It has left me wanting someone to again, control my emotions, but for the opposite reasons. I want someone to make me feel and force me to express all the pent up strong emotions I've been unable to throughout my life. I want to be forced to experience what I was taught to suppress. Roleplay allows me to express strong emotions and scenes that I wouldn't/can't do in real life. Some I can, but others are better off left to fantasy.

Strangely, this has developed into a top big kink for me. I get excited if I'm often feeling emotional without limit. This also happens for a lot of heavy emotions I have that come naturally. I get turned on when I'm pissed off, having a breakdown, I'm shaking with fear, if I'm gleaming with happiness, and so on. On the flip side, if I'm feeling very emotional in a negative way, my mind combats it with sex. This turned me into an mental and emotional masochist. Sex can be a healthy outlet, and that is how I see it. Irl, no, I wouldn't want someone to break my heart just to get me off; RP, sure, but there are many themes that still transfer over.

I often have a hard time expressing this kink to others, I'm aware it isn't the most normal even if a lot of us do like thrills in general. I mean, who in their right minds gets turned on when simply because they are anxious, having a bad day, or is happy about a surprise that is unrelated to sex? Me.

It also pairs with the kink and desire of, "take control and fuck these emotions out of me. Make me scream, cry, moan, and tear it all out of me if you have to until I is all out my system. Alter and play with my mind so I feel even more abstract and overwhelming emotions. Do whatever it takes and keep going even when you think I'm done!" I want to feel with all my body and heart. To bleed out anything that is suppressed, and it helps me safely express intense emotions that I often drown in if I'm by myself. This ties in with BDSM since I'm very fond of being controlled. The idea of being tied down or manhandled to be forced to experience physical and emotional intensity is pure bliss to me. I can't try to run and hide, nor let embarrassment stop me as well, I'm forced to stay present and feel. Knowing that I can't escape, and knowing that someone else decides my outcome for a scene is liberating to me, I'm helpless to just feel. It allows me to strip myself of any shell I might put up and be the realest and the rawest version of myself. To experience, to suffer, to be filled with bliss, to feel trembling fear, to burn with love or even frustration. It has left me fascinated with the human level of highs and lows of every emotion. Even for my partners, I feel the need to bathe in their emotions as well. Have a bad day at work? Transfer it to me, let me feel it for you.

Then, there is the simple fact that when it all becomes too much when I feel like I'm drowning in emotions, I want to submit. I want someone else to be 'reason'. Let me lose reason and just be emotion. Let me cry, scream, moan and take comfort in the fact that someone else has control without being judged. I want to feel both wild and controlled. Let nothing else matter but they very moment since I have no say. Let me fight and resist and keep being pushed further. Dancing along the edge of insanity is eye-opening. I take comfort in the fact I can't completely off into the deep end when at the end of it all someone else has the reins who can eventually ground me again. I want to get lost in emotions without judgement or limitations while a wildfire goes off in me. Don't put it out, add fuel to the flames. Let my soul burn so I can feel it scream.

This post is way too long. My god, but I already wrote it all. Hopefully I don't regret posting this later, but if my words above didn't communicate it clear enough, I love being able express myself.

Random fact about me: I have an issue with ranting. lol.
 
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Just found this thread so I figured I'll had my two cents.

I suppose one kind of weird thing with me is that there are some kinks that I've had only in phases. Maybe I have to get 'riled up' in just the right way. Or maybe it comes in waves, like go of for six months with no interest and then suddenly popping back up on my radar for the next month or two. It goes back down and repeat. And that's a bit annoying because it had a whole new layer of complexity over trying to figure out if I like that stuff or not. So things like futa have only come up in interest occasionally and far apart. Or how I can sort of get into RPing with incest, but it has to be sibling only and have just the right tone and - whole bunch of other stuff I haven't figured out.

Now one I definitely have and have been asked about it the most is transformation (which I know others here have mentioned). And it's usually into some kind of animalistic beast... I guess that makes me a furry but I prefer 'anthro' more so. At least, based on my understanding of it (Isn't anthro used for more 'realistic' depictions where as furry is your big eyes, unnatural fur and neon tongue and dowel? lol). Probably no surprise that I've played with lycans more so than anything else. I am interested if anyone has a way to describe it because I would like to have words whenever I'm asked about it again. Best way I could describe it is like... normal transformation is like the world's greatest stretch. That feeling of finally getting out of the car after you've been having to us the middle seat for the last six hours. So the sexual ones is like that but combined with this need to rip away from your bonds and be free to acted however you want. Sort of symbolic I guess?
 
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