Feelings on using AI to spruce up story telling?

[CasualVelociraptor]

I have generated one idea with AI before just because I was curious, and generated AI faceclaims since those can be hard to write exactly. However since realizing the energy and water usage of AI I have renounced even that for myself, and use of AI in the writing at all would be an automatic game over.

 

[Arclight1988]

I have generated one idea with AI before just because I was curious, and generated AI faceclaims since those can be hard to write exactly. However since realizing the energy and water usage of AI I have renounced even that for myself, and use of AI in the writing at all would be an automatic game over.

That I had not thought of, also seems like it should be an issue they need to solve before pushing further. I doubt its going anywhere any time soon though.

 

[CasualVelociraptor]

That I had not thought of, also seems like it should be an issue they need to solve before pushing further. I doubt its going anywhere any time soon though.

I regret any contribution to the end of the planet as we know it…I think what needs to be done is, if you think that your partner is violating any boundaries around AI, place their text into an AI detector and then confront them about it. Otherwise it could be part of the end of creativity.

 

[SavageBunny]

This could be a personal problem, but I feel like questions like that could easily get annoying and would have a hard time asking such things to a partner.

I don't think many people would be annoyed at a question like that. Roleplaying is a collaborative thing, after all.

As for the prompt....I think the general points it gives do a good job at pointing you into the right direction. But also: You'd probably gotten the exact same points by just typing "Writing Advice for Fantasy Clothing" into google. Because I'm pretty sure, I've read advice very similar to that myself.

Which kinda reinforces my original opinion, that AI is kinda superfluous when it comes to writing. Everything it could possibly do is probably done better by humans or tried and tested simpler things.

 

[Arclight1988]

I regret any contribution to the end of the planet as we know it…I think what needs to be done is, if you think that your partner is violating any boundaries around AI, place their text into an AI detector and then confront them about it. Otherwise it could be part of the end of creativity.

Well it looks to be more than just that, AI is being used to offset energy and cooling of googles other servers. The question will be over time which would be better expanding and cooling traditional servers or the ability to reduce current energy of AI, and costs both Financial, Enviromental, and Future augments to things. Ill have to keep an eye on this thanks for bringing it up.

 

[CasualVelociraptor]

Well it looks to be more than just that, AI is being used to offset energy and cooling of googles other servers. The question will be over time which would be better expanding and cooling traditional servers or the ability to reduce current energy of AI, and costs both Financial, Enviromental, and Future augments to things. Ill have to keep an eye on this thanks for bringing it up.

I think the idea they’re having now is building more nuclear energy to try to make AI energy needs carbon-free, but for now the amount of server infrastructure being put in place for our increasingly electrified economy (everything from AI to cloud gaming) far exceeds nuclear capacity. Perhaps we can talk more in a PM though so as to avoid derailing the topic of AI ruining creativity on this site.

 

[Nihilistic_Impact]

I don't think AI could make someone a better writer, I wouldn't even trust it with grammar since we've already since a drop in it's ability to do math problems. But back to AI not helping you become a better writer. From what I understand with things like ChatGPT is that is is just predicting what is most likely to come after each word, which means that it will always weight and outcome to the most likely which would flatten and reduce your diction. Asking it to do things in the style of certain authors invites issues with it just spitting said author back at you.

Personally I think the AI bubble is going to burst in a couple of years and people are going to lose a lot of money. It's already a losing money and has yet to produce anything that can make a profit. There might be some edge cases where it could be useful, I don't know what they are, but the way it's being pushed more and more is just desperation as the technology is running out of usable training data.

Just read and write more if you really want to be a better writer.

 

[CasualVelociraptor]

I don't think AI could make someone a better writer, I wouldn't even trust it with grammar since we've already since a drop in it's ability to do math problems. But back to AI not helping you become a better writer. From what I understand with things like ChatGPT is that is is just predicting what is most likely to come after each word, which means that it will always weight and outcome to the most likely which would flatten and reduce your diction. Asking it to do things in the style of certain authors invites issues with it just spitting said author back at you.

Personally I think the AI bubble is going to burst in a couple of years and people are going to lose a lot of money. It's already a losing money and has yet to produce anything that can make a profit. There might be some edge cases where it could be useful, I don't know what they are, but the way it's being pushed more and more is just desperation as the technology is running out of usable training data.

Just read and write more if you really want to be a better writer.

Very succinctly put. When I tested an AI steampunk story for instance against my own writing, it very much looked like a computer completing a checklist, very dry and straightforward. You just can’t replicate the spontaneity of human beings. What I’m worried about as media becomes more and more expensive to make and competitive is that people and corporations will use LLMs in general even if the big models collapse as shortcuts in the rat race for influence, and that small human artists will be drowned out in the noise. Even then though there is definitely a backlash growing towards AI content and corporate rehashing.

 

[Arclight1988]

Very succinctly put. When I tested an AI steampunk story for instance against my own writing, it very much looked like a computer completing a checklist, very dry and straightforward. You just can’t replicate the spontaneity of human beings. What I’m worried about as media becomes more and more expensive to make and competitive is that people and corporations will use LLMs in general even if the big models collapse as shortcuts in the rat race for influence, and that small human artists will be drowned out in the noise. Even then though there is definitely a backlash growing towards AI content and corporate rehashing.

I like your point and it does raise the point of modern media is really taking a hit these days, is it the writers lack a creative spark or are they already using AI. In your view as inevitably bad, in my view as poorly.

The checklist example is a good point, and ive found you are better off only using it in a fashion to how you are supposed to use spark notes. People will copy paste blindly, but most I believe will use it as a reference and can get better with it.

I don't think AI could make someone a better writer, I wouldn't even trust it with grammar since we've already since a drop in it's ability to do math problems. But back to AI not helping you become a better writer. From what I understand with things like ChatGPT is that is is just predicting what is most likely to come after each word, which means that it will always weight and outcome to the most likely which would flatten and reduce your diction. Asking it to do things in the style of certain authors invites issues with it just spitting said author back at you.

Personally I think the AI bubble is going to burst in a couple of years and people are going to lose a lot of money. It's already a losing money and has yet to produce anything that can make a profit. There might be some edge cases where it could be useful, I don't know what they are, but the way it's being pushed more and more is just desperation as the technology is running out of usable training data.

Just read and write more if you really want to be a better writer.

Been told my whole life that and got to a point improvement slowed down or stagnated. Ive had better experiences working and tweaking AI promts to better describe what I am trying to convey. Its not that I couldnt do so other ways, but in the past trying to describe something right could frustrate me enough to make me want to give up completely even on trivial things. If I could not say it right I would have extensive trouble continuing. Now I can work through sometime describing it better in 10-15 minutes to get it right.

 

[Keith Logan]

I use AI heavily for my work that involves coding, and have at least two paid subscriptions. So I appreciate this new age phenomenon.

That said, using AI to directly craft a response is a huge no no no. I can turn a blind eye if one prompts AI to suggest a couple of ideas on how to approach a scene or how to describe something. But the moment you get AI to do the actual writing? That’s crossing the line.

I spend hours, if not, days to craft my responses for my partners. I have a very structured way of approaching a reply and it involves:

1) Laying out bullet points first whenever I read a fresh reply, essentially like a dumping ground of potential avenues I can consider approaching for my next response,

2) Go about doing my other daily work and routine,

3) Come back and drop more bullet points whenever I’m suddenly inspired during periods of mind wandering (I wonder how many of you actually think about your role plays in periods throughout the day lol),

4) Image search to provide inspiration,

5) Sit down during toilet breaks to review materials and start crafting out the first draft,

6) Actually sit down to review and refine my draft once I get undisrupted time to write. I tailor make the images I use for my plays using photoshop or online resources to make them suit the vibe of a given scene.

In short, it is a lot of effort that I put in to the crafting of every one of my replies. If I know my partner was to reciprocate my effort with the output of AI, with the main work involved being no more than to paraphrase them, I would be so disappointed.

AI typically follows a certain syntax and expression when writing. I don’t exactly know what is it, but one can feel this ‘syntheticness’ of an AI response once you’ve dealt and been exposed to it long enough. That is why there are anti-plagiarism algorithms out there to detect students using AI to do their work. Unless you’re paraphrasing the whole AI output, parts of the reply will always feel ‘synthetic’.

Writing is a form of art. And I find joy in entering the minds of my partners through their written work, and appreciate their interpretation of how our play is going. That magic is lost once you’re getting something else to do that work for you. The writing is just not a reflection of you.

Honestly, by reading enough work out there, that is how a reader can learn to better their writing. What you want to do, is to expose yourself to as many different writing styles as you can, instead of going to AI to rely on this one, narrow and increasingly predictable flair for writing. I believe a person’s writing is a reflection of them as a person (how they think etc. and can we all agree that all of us lay down some parts of our personalities - no matter how discrete or minute - into our characters?).

My plea is that you take the long road and slowly discover and define your unique literary identity.

shoutout.

 

[Arclight1988]

I use AI heavily for my work that involves coding, and have at least two paid subscriptions. So I appreciate this new age phenomenon.

That said, using AI to directly craft a response is a huge no no no. I can turn a blind eye if one prompts AI to suggest a couple of ideas on how to approach a scene or how to describe something. But the moment you get AI to do the actual writing? That’s crossing the line.

I spend hours, if not, days to craft my responses for my partners. I have a very structured way of approaching a reply and it involves:

1) Laying out bullet points first whenever I read a fresh reply, essentially like a dumping ground of potential avenues I can consider approaching for my next response,

2) Go about doing my other daily work and routine,

3) Come back and drop more bullet points whenever I’m suddenly inspired during periods of mind wandering (I wonder how many of you actually think about your role plays in periods throughout the day lol),

4) Image search to provide inspiration,

5) Sit down during toilet breaks to review materials and start crafting out the first draft,

6) Actually sit down to review and refine my draft once I get undisrupted time to write. I tailor make the images I use for my play using photoshop or online resources to make them suit the vibe of a given scene.

In short, it is a lot of effort that I put in to the crafting of every one of my replies. If I know my partner was to reciprocate my effort with the output of AI, with the main work involved being no more than to paraphrase them, I would be so disappointed.

AI typically follows a certain syntax and expression when writing. I don’t exactly know what is it, but one can feel this ‘syntheticness’ of an AI response once you’ve dealt and been exposed to it long enough. That is why there are anti-plagiarism algorithms out there to detect students using AI to do their work. Unless you’re paraphrasing the whole AI output, parts of the reply will always feel ‘synthetic’.

Writing is a form of art. And I find joy in entering the minds of my partners through their written work, and appreciate their interpretation of how our play is going. That magic is lost once you’re getting something else to do that work for you. The writing is just not a reflection of you.

Honestly, by reading enough work out there, that is how a reader can learn to better their writing. What you want to do, is to expose yourself to as many different writing styles as you can, instead of going to AI to rely on this one, narrow and increasingly predictable flair for writing. I believe a person’s writing is a reflection of them as a person (how they think etc. and can we all agree that all of us lay down some parts of our personalities - no matter how discrete or minute - into our characters?).

My plea is that you take the long road and slowly discover and define your unique literary identity.

shoutout.

I do agree that if you are copy and pasting an AI prompt and sending that you are doing aomething wrong, probably a few somethings.

My point is it has many practical uses that can improve things, similar to the beginning of your response. Even with AI I am only really refining each catagory or as you put it bullet points till I can pull everything myself.

Similar to in coding you might look up how to make a function search through a list. However that is only a small part of the whole function. Im still pretty beginner to coding myself, but trying to improve.