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Feelings on using AI to spruce up story telling?

Arclight1988

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So I really like AI, and while I know that alone can earn me some disapproving stares anyone else tinker with it to give them either better ideas or help describing a setting so you don't feel like your always comming up with the setting alone?

I am even finding making NPCs to interact with main characters much more enjoyable when they are not tailor made, and sometimes made specifically to be able to harass or trouble the main characters of a story.

This allows me to have a story of my own which is increadibly dangerous for me, but if your partner is learning or likewise not good at putting forth ideas it can add more excitement.

I would like to hear people thoughts on this, maybe questions from those interested in it, but never tried. Or even suggestions of things that have had good effects.

My first real use I created a whole legend, story arc, and great first adventure in two questions and not only did I get a more alive town, but it was fun reading a story I only gave a few pointers to flush out which I felt was a win win!
 
I have never used it nor will I ever. That's just how I feel about it. Everyone is free to use whatever tools they need to. The most fun I've had in roleplay is coming up with my own characters, writing, and lore. While at times it may have been tedious, I wouldn't change a thing about it and I'm happy to put in the work to do so every time.

I don't know, using AI for something as roleplay feels like a letdown to me. I would be very disappointed if I learned a potential partner was using it to come up with posts or whatever when I'm putting my own creation into my responses.
 
Hmmm AI for actual writing is a no. Using AI for research and such that I wouldn’t think of is a yea.

Like I’ll use it to give me a structure or format but then I’d think up of the main plot and details on my own.

But it’s a tool so might as well use it. I just don’t use it to write the main stuff.
 
I don't use AI to do my actual writing, but I use it to enhance it. My writing has always been pretty above-average at best, but now with AI, I can up it a bit more, but i never use it to the actual writing from scratch.

Usage of AI images? I love it! I'm very visual, so adding visuals that go along with the play really helps out! :)
 
I don't know, using AI for something as roleplay feels like a letdown to me. I would be very disappointed if I learned a potential partner was using it to come up with posts or whatever when I'm putting my own creation into my responses.
I feel the same. I like to brainstorm with my partners and come up with a plot that we'll both enjoy, tailored to our mutual likes and interests. If they're just going to use a glorified plagiarism machine AI to crank out ideas for them, I don't see why I should be part of the creative process.

Also, while I understand that everybody enjoys this hobby in their own way, I think the excuse of using AI because you think you're bad at writing is a very lame one, because a surefire way to not get better is by using tools to chew everything out for you. No writer starts off as "good"; no adult will tell you that the fanfic they wrote as a 14-year-old was the pinnacle of their creative ability. Instead of using artificial tools to enhance the writing you're unsatisfied with, keep challenging yourself to improve, and keep practicing.
 
I feel the same. I like to brainstorm with my partners and come up with a plot that we'll both enjoy, tailored to our mutual likes and interests. If they're just going to use a glorified plagiarism machine AI to crank out ideas for them, I don't see why I should be part of the creative process.

Also, while I understand that everybody enjoys this hobby in their own way, I think the excuse of using AI because you think you're bad at writing is a very lame one, because a surefire way to not get better is by using tools to chew everything out for you. No writer starts off as "good"; no adult will tell you that the fanfic they wrote as a 14-year-old was the pinnacle of their creative ability. Instead of using artificial tools to enhance the writing you're unsatisfied with, keep challenging yourself to improve, and keep practicing.
By that logic do not give children life jackets it will prevent them to learn to swim.

Its how you choose to use something if I just copy what AI throws you are right your skill will never increase. However people seem to forget many writers wont even give you a chance if you're not talented enough. So the hobby of writing becomes more elitest without a way to remedy the situation. You see fewer people joining sites like this with very odd ideals of setting up a story some good, and some bad. My writing has improved due to being able to mix what AI gives me, and my own vision to describe things vetter than I could have.

I can see a image in my head, and with my own tweaks and AI I can share it in ways I never could before. You can give more depth to a character get suggestions on motivations, plot hooks, and more.

Calling an AI a plagiarizing machine is from a misunderstanding of what its doing its no more calling every elf in every story a plagerism of tolkens elfs. Ai takes comon elements and gives you suggestions, it is generic, but a framework similar to when you learn to draw circles in a way to line a face or body for proportians. Its something new to be used or abuaed like anything else.
 
However people seem to forget many writers wont even give you a chance if you're not talented enough.
I don't see how that is necessarily a problem; there's nothing wrong with having a preference for the partners you write with. If anything, as mentioned above and in plenty of similar threads, a lot of people don't like it when their partner uses AI to inflate their writing.

An easy way to remedy this is to not play with those people, and to avoid groups/forums where elitism is common. For as long as I've been around here, BMR's community has been very welcoming to writers of all levels of experience.
 
By that logic do not give children life jackets it will prevent them to learn to swim.
That's not even close to being the same thing. You're not going to die for writing "badly". Kids can, and often do, drown in pools because drowning can be a very silent and fast process. It takes 10 minutes for a person to drown, yet the only consequence I have for looking back at my own writing from 10 years back is the occasional cringing at how bad I was. But that's good; it means that I've grown to a point where I can recognize my own shortcomings and how far I have come. If I was still 10 years old and starting out RP and had used AI, I can't imagine I would've ever gotten to the point where I am right now.

I don't think I'm a genius or even that talented, but I sure as hell am happy that I spent all these years honing my writing the way that I have.
However people seem to forget many writers wont even give you a chance if you're not talented enough. So the hobby of writing becomes more elitest without a way to remedy the situation. You see fewer people joining sites like this with very odd ideals of setting up a story some good, and some bad.
I don't think it's elitism to turn down someone because they are not what I'm looking for. There's a finite amount of time in a day that I can use for my hobbies and I'd rather use it to write with people I think will be worthwhile to do so with. Does that make me elitist? It's not as if any single person is entitled to my time, just as I'm not entitled to anyone's time.

If I found out someone was using AI to write in any capacity, other than checking for grammar and spelling, I sure wouldn't want to write with them. But that's just my opinion, and there are bound to be others with a different perspective.
 
Great so AI is just wrong, but if you can't find someone willing to work with you to improve your writing too bad. I'm sure that is healthy for the hobby.

Yes the life jacket analogy was meant to be an extreme. Luckily I'm getting too old to care, it's just a shame I see less interest in making a path for new people to get good, it's not like there are bunch of threads welcoming the unskilled. Also you both are right forcing someone against there will to try to take in new players would not work. However every argument seems to be get better you don't need to use anything to get you over the hurdle just jump higher now.
 
I'm pretty sure not every writer on this forum is looking for the kind of partners you're making them out to. I'm happy to write with beginner writers and if the wish, even critique their writing after we've been RP'ing for a bit.

That aside, I think most writers are happy to write opposite anyone else as long as they try. To me, having an AI write an RP reply isn't trying. If you aren't putting in any investment to writing a story with me, why should I put in the effort to write with the person using AI?
 
Great so AI is just wrong, but if you can't find someone willing to work with you to improve your writing too bad. I'm sure that is healthy for the hobby.

Yes the life jacket analogy was meant to be an extreme. Luckily I'm getting too old to care, it's just a shame I see less interest in making a path for new people to get good, it's not like there are bunch of threads welcoming the unskilled. Also you both are right forcing someone against there will to try to take in new players would not work. However every argument seems to be get better you don't need to use anything to get you over the hurdle just jump higher now.
I didn't say anything about using AI being right or wrong, because I'm not interested in getting into a discussion about the ethics of AI in content creation. At the end of the day, it boils down to personal opinion and I don't care about that. What I said was in reference to personal growth, and that I think using AI in your writing will develop into a crutch. If you think otherwise, that's perfectly fine, but you did post this on a public forum asking for others to discuss. I was simply giving my own take on it.

Unfortunately, "git gud" is really the best advice someone can give you here without looking at your specific writing style. There's another thread in Semiprivate Talk about writing advice with people giving pretty great pointers on how to improve (not me, I'm pretty trash at that).

The other advice I can give you is not to get discouraged if someone turns you down. My first motivation to get better at writing was out of spite because someone turned me away from a DBZ group RP that I really wanted to join, so I resolved to get so good at writing that they'd regret not having me there. It really did help me.
 
Reading and writing are both very good ways to improve in your own writing; and that's what a lot of writers have been doing since before AI was a thing. I know that when I first started RPing, I was absolutely awful - but it was through writing and reading that I got better.

Practice makes perfect, right?

Using AI to 'spruce' things up when you're writing on your own, for fun, sounds fine. I guess it can help improve your style or vocabulary, etc., but it isn't something I'd like to see in RPs or published items.
 
I've some mixed feelings about AI in general.

I think it can be a useful tool, but one should be aware what AI actually does.
It doesn't understand things, it can't come up with things and it doesn't have anything to say. What it can do is recombine stuff that it has "learned".

Using AI as a tool to give you ideas and inspiration to work with is absolutely valid. And nothing new, really. Back in the 80s a lot of TTRPG-rulebooks had giant tables to randomly roll up NPCs, settings and entire plots. "Random X Generators" are still plentiful on the internet and I think there's nothing wrong to use them to kickstart your own creativity.
And things like ChatGPT are in essence nothing else than a very advanced form of a Random Stuff Generator. Including the inherent ability to cook up some hot nonsense every now and then.

That being said: I don't believe, that AI improves your personal writing ability. You don't learn to drive by taking the bus.
And since you can't watch the process and AIs work wildly different than squishy human writers, you can't even learn something by watching it do it's thing.

But that might also depend on what exactly you're looking to get out of writing. Personally, I like coming up with stuff, so using a tool, when the muse is on strike, I get that, but just letting a machine do the fun part seems....Just plain weird to me, to be honest.
 
Great so AI is just wrong, but if you can't find someone willing to work with you to improve your writing too bad. I'm sure that is healthy for the hobby.

Countless people started with the hobby long before AI was around? Do you think everyone that started RPing before AI was around first finished their Bachelor in English Lit before logging into their AOL chat room? Like what kind of logic is this?
 
Countless people started with the hobby long before AI was around? Do you think everyone that started RPing before AI was around first finished their Bachelor in English Lit before logging into their AOL chat room? Like what kind of logic is this?
I do agree with you that there are other possible ways I started writing 20is years ago I always struggled with describing what I want to portray to this day.

I do want to make an distinction I am talking about using AI to improve and use it to better develop what your thinking not copy paste what it says you can use it to story board and more as well as use it to give you different ways to describe something you feel you are overusing.

I view it as another tool or resource that should be encouraged in the ways that are better when I get home I can give a better example, but I think the complete dismissal is what I find the most sad about the issue.
 
I'm pretty sure not every writer on this forum is looking for the kind of partners you're making them out to. I'm happy to write with beginner writers and if the wish, even critique their writing after we've been RP'ing for a bit.

That aside, I think most writers are happy to write opposite anyone else as long as they try. To me, having an AI write an RP reply isn't trying. If you aren't putting in any investment to writing a story with me, why should I put in the effort to write with the person using AI?
See this is often the opinion I find rather narrow. Why do you think using AI is zero effort? I can use AI to give me suggestions how to describe things, suggestions for plot hooks, ideas to add quirks to a situation. A more notable way to describe something in fewer words for something I want to stand out, but not spend too much time describing.

Now I am sure some people may try to plug in whatever into a box and respond with that, but people misuse things. I am a firm believer you are better off setting an expertation or even suggestions on how to use things better than to dismiss them outright cause any use of them makes you turn up your nose.

People in this thread know it hard to find someone whom you feel you can grow with either you feel they are so beyond where you are that you havent hope to keep up with them. Then there are people that are just plain intimidated by some of the people on here. A couple people already acted like I was saying then why arent you teaching newer people. When I was just making a simple point.

When a path to becomming a little better might be as simple as asking an AI to describe a few outdoor scenes and instantly have a few ideas of what they could do. Or hell ask how to describe a sunny day on a hill, and it will break down some ideas in an easy to understand way.

Hell maybe im wrong, and I am open to it, I just find the outright hostility at the though pretty glaring.
 
See this is often the opinion I find rather narrow. Why do you think using AI is zero effort? I can use AI to give me suggestions how to describe things, suggestions for plot hooks, ideas to add quirks to a situation. A more notable way to describe something in fewer words for something I want to stand out, but not spend too much time describing.

Now I am sure some people may try to plug in whatever into a box and respond with that, but people misuse things. I am a firm believer you are better off setting an expertation or even suggestions on how to use things better than to dismiss them outright cause any use of them makes you turn up your nose.

People in this thread know it hard to find someone whom you feel you can grow with either you feel they are so beyond where you are that you havent hope to keep up with them. Then there are people that are just plain intimidated by some of the people on here. A couple people already acted like I was saying then why arent you teaching newer people. When I was just making a simple point.

When a path to becomming a little better might be as simple as asking an AI to describe a few outdoor scenes and instantly have a few ideas of what they could do. Or hell ask how to describe a sunny day on a hill, and it will break down some ideas in an easy to understand way.

Hell maybe im wrong, and I am open to it, I just find the outright hostility at the though pretty glaring.
I don't personally see anything anyone has said as being "hostile" about their opinions.

A lot of RPers prefer things to be genuine from their partner, and strictly from their own mind. Taking influences from other things is obviously allowed, that's how a lot of us even gather muse to write to begin with. And there's nothing wrong with going to google and typing in, 'another word for ____' to ensure you're not reusing the same words, or broadening your vocabulary.

I think a lot of people have a dislike for AI because it is essentially taking from things, and it's not your own work. Even if you take a prompt an AI gives you, and you tweak it, it's still a little synthetic.

Working off of an AI to get a scene idea or environment doesn't seem that bad, but I'd personally rather brainstorm with my RP partner if they were struggling than have them go to an AI for that kind of scenario.
 
I’m not a fan of AI for the most part.
Like others have said, I’d rather my RP partners use their own works and words.
 
No. A lot of us didn't have AI to lean on when we started writing and we developed our language and writing skills fine without it. It would be very disappointing to me if I found out that a roleplaying partner used AI to write their posts, no matter how it was used (excluding spelling and grammar checks). We are meant to collaborate and I don't want to collaborate with an AI, not even indirectly.

People in this thread know it hard to find someone whom you feel you can grow with either you feel they are so beyond where you are that you havent hope to keep up with them. Then there are people that are just plain intimidated by some of the people on here.
Here's the thing though... it's not their fault. Some people, like me, have been doing this for a very long time. Others are new. That's just how it is. There are plenty of experienced writers out there who are willing to take on newer ones. However, this is a hobby and I don't think it's fair to call people elitist only because they have more experience and want to write with someone who can match their writing style.
 
I don't personally see anything anyone has said as being "hostile" about their opinions.

A lot of RPers prefer things to be genuine from their partner, and strictly from their own mind. Taking influences from other things is obviously allowed, that's how a lot of us even gather muse to write to begin with. And there's nothing wrong with going to google and typing in, 'another word for ____' to ensure you're not reusing the same words, or broadening your vocabulary.

I think a lot of people have a dislike for AI because it is essentially taking from things, and it's not your own work. Even if you take a prompt an AI gives you, and you tweak it, it's still a little synthetic.

Working off of an AI to get a scene idea or environment doesn't seem that bad, but I'd personally rather brainstorm with my RP partner if they were struggling than have them go to an AI for that kind of scenario.
Hmm the idea that it seems synthetic is interesting. While thats not been my experience while playing around with it I do wonder if many people started using it if certain themes would re-represent themselves.

To be fair the idea of you drawing from a well of personal experience or having the AI come up with suggestions does seem like the same thing to me however I am an avid reader and its not like the AI has come up with anything from the Dragon Lance, Wheel of Time, Mystborn Ect. So I do think those are important too.

How about the idea of using AI to ask how would one make an outlandish dress seem unique?
Ai would give ideas and some options that you could use. Would you feel that will make your post synthetic?
 
How about the idea of using AI to ask how would one make an outlandish dress seem unique?
Ai would give ideas and some options that you could use. Would you feel that will make your post synthetic?
Personally, I'd rather look for visual references and tweak those in my writing than have an AI to give me ideas or options regarding clothing, environments, etc.

To me, having an AI give you prompts for anything (clothing, settings, dialogue, etc.) would make it synthetic in a way. I can see where people might disagree, especially if the prompt is toyed and tweaked with, but I'd much rather something that comes from a living person entirely. You can look at a picture and describe what you see, but those words and descriptions are still your own, allowing the reader to view something through your eyes. Something that gives you words to work off of or work around feels less authentic to me.
 
Hard pass. I roleplay for it to be organic. If I wanted to write with a computer's ideas, I'd go do that myself. Writers who use AI are not those I want to write with — I find it lazy, to put it bluntly.
 
How about the idea of using AI to ask how would one make an outlandish dress seem unique?
Now, I'd be very curious, what your AI of choice would actually suggest in that case.

For the sake of argument, let's assume we were writing together, you want to describe an outlandish and unique dress, but you're struggling. So you drop me a message saying "Hey, bunny. I'm struggling a bit with X's dress. I want it to be really unique and strange, but I can't think of anything. Halp pls!"
So unlike the AI, which now starts to throw together random descriptors, it has been told by it's training data are "outlandish" and "unique", I start to do a think.

Who's X? What's their character, their personality, their cultural background, their general vibe?
Evil barbarian queen? Furs! (*goes to look up weird animals with odd furs*) Bone ornaments? Animal teeth? (*hacks "polynesian jewelry" into pinterest, because they certainly make something out of shark teeth, no?*
Soft, gentle alien princess? Weird colours! (*looks up synonyms for words like "irridescent"* *hacks "SciFi Fashion" into pinterest*) Something floral, mayhaps? (*googles "weird looking flowers"*)
etc.

So in that particular case, I'd argue that whatever the end-product in both cases is, the latter would fit the story better. And even if it's less "well written" (whatever your personal metric for "good writing" is) I'd prefer the latter 10 out of 10 times. The two processes are very different, I think and I do believe that it shows.
 
(Forgot I could spoiler it so people could choose to read it.)

If you want I could send you the responding prompt its long, and focused on magic cause when I am working through things I almost always use magic as elements and Chat Ai remembers that kind of thing till you clear it.

This could be a personal problem, but I feel like questions like that could easily get annoying and would have a hard time asking such things to a partner. That I will reflect a little on.

To make an outlandish dress style truly unique, you'll need to focus on elements that push the boundaries of fashion and bring a mix of creativity, personality, and practical or fantastical flair. Here are some ideas to make it stand out:

1. Incorporate Unusual Materials

Concept: Use unconventional materials that are rarely seen in clothing design, or combine them in unexpected ways.

Examples:

Living garments: Parts of the outfit are made from bioluminescent plants, slowly shifting like a garden of light.

Metallic fabric: Thin, flexible metal strands woven into the fabric, creating a shimmering, reflective surface that catches the light differently as the wearer moves.

Feathers, scales, or crystals: Integrated as layers or accents, these natural textures make the outfit look organic and fantastical.

Translucent materials: Panels of sheer, jelly-like fabric that change opacity with movement or touch.




2. Shifting Color Patterns

Concept: The dress's colors change depending on the environment, mood, or even the time of day.

Examples:

Mood-responsive fabric: The fabric shifts from cool blues and greens to fiery reds and oranges based on the wearer's emotions, providing a living display of their mood.

Sunlight-activated hues: The outfit has a vibrant pattern that only appears when sunlight hits it, turning dull under artificial lighting but glowing brightly outdoors.

Heat-sensitive or touch-reactive: The dress changes color wherever it's touched or in response to body heat, leaving handprints or patterns that fade over time.




3. Unorthodox Silhouettes

Concept: Break from traditional forms with an exaggerated or non-traditional shape that challenges expectations.

Examples:

Floating elements: Incorporate hovering pieces through hidden mechanisms or magical enchantments, like small floating rings or glowing orbs around the shoulders or waist.

Exaggerated proportions: Extreme high collars, oversized balloon sleeves, or flowing capes that trail behind in a dramatic fashion. The dress might have long, flowing "ribbons" that animate and curl around the wearer, like serpentine tendrils.

Non-Euclidean shapes: Inspired by abstract art, the dress could have parts that twist, fold, or exist in visually impossible ways, creating the illusion of a garment that bends space or defies geometry.




4. Interactive Elements

Concept: The outfit responds to the world around it, creating a sense of interactivity and engagement.

Examples:

Motion-triggered accessories: Parts of the dress, like layered fabric or small attached decorations, move or flutter based on the wearer's movements, creating a dynamic sense of flow.

Light and sound: The dress could emit soft lights or chime with gentle tones based on the wearer's movements, creating a musical or visual display.

Magical embroidery: Patterns woven into the fabric that shift or grow when certain words are spoken, allowing the wearer to "recast" parts of their dress based on their mood or setting.

Pocket pets: The dress has hidden compartments for small magical creatures or animated items that peek out or interact with the environment, such as a tiny bird-shaped clasp that hops along the edge of a sleeve.




5. Modular or Transforming Features

Concept: The outfit can be reconfigured into entirely different shapes or forms for various occasions or moods.

Examples:

Detachable layers: Sections of the outfit can be removed or added to completely change its look. A flowing evening gown could transform into a more fitted, practical design with the removal of a few parts.

Shape-shifting: Through enchantment or clever design, the dress can transform into multiple styles, like shifting from a ballroom gown into battle armor, depending on the occasion.

Adjustable height or length: Certain elements (like high collars, sleeves, or skirts) can be adjusted for practical use or dramatic effect, expanding or contracting based on how formal or casual the situation demands.




6. Integrated Technology or Magic

Concept: Add elements of futuristic tech or magical properties that enhance the functionality or aesthetic.

Examples:

Holographic projection: A gown that incorporates small projectors to display moving images across its surface—perhaps it can project the night sky, fireflies, or abstract patterns that shift in time with the wearer's movements.

Built-in illusion: Magical enchantments that allow parts of the dress to momentarily vanish, create mirage-like reflections, or give off an illusion of changing shapes.

Animated embroidery: Threads enchanted to form moving scenes across the fabric, like a small parade of animals marching around the hemline or a growing vine that blossoms across the bodice.




7. Play with Scale

Concept: The dress plays with size and proportion, making parts of the garment either absurdly large or incredibly small.

Examples:

Giant accessory pieces: Oversized hats, shoulder pads, or belts that are disproportionate to the rest of the outfit, creating a surreal look.

Tiny detailed embellishments: Intricate, micro-sized decorations on the dress, like miniature sculptures, tiny glowing orbs, or working gears, which require close examination to be fully appreciated.




8. Nature-Infused Design

Concept: Draw inspiration from nature and incorporate living elements into the design.

Examples:

Living flowers: A dress that incorporates actual flowers, vines, or leaves, enchanted to bloom and grow while being worn, constantly changing the look of the dress over time.

Weather-responsive: A gown that reacts to the weather—growing icicles in cold environments, sprouting blossoms in warm sunlight, or creating a rain effect when it's cloudy.

Animal-like details: Feathered sleeves, fin-like skirts, or scale-covered bodices, giving the outfit a fantastical, creature-inspired appearance.




9. Cultural Fusion

Concept: Blend elements from multiple cultures or historical periods to create something completely new and visually captivating.

Examples:

Time-period mashup: A blend of Victorian fashion with futuristic elements, such as corsets paired with sleek metallic accessories, or a medieval gown with neon, cyberpunk accents.

Worldly fusion: Mix design elements from multiple regions—such as patterns inspired by both African and Asian textiles, or a combination of medieval European armor and colorful, intricate tribal beadwork.




10. Theatrical Flair

Concept: Lean into dramatic, over-the-top aesthetics inspired by performance art or theater.

Examples:

Stage-worthy drama: Flowing, exaggerated capes, long, layered trains, or hidden compartments that release clouds of glitter, bubbles, or harmless smoke for a theatrical entrance.

Optical illusions: Play with patterns and colors that create optical illusions, making it appear as if the wearer is floating, stretching, or shrinking in certain areas depending on the angle of view.




By blending some of these ideas, you can create a truly one-of-a-kind, outlandish dress style that feels both playful and artistic, while pushing the limits of fashion, fantasy, and functionality.
 
I love when people engage in creative hobbies, and then want to leave the creative part of the said creative hobby (or a part of it) to a generative AI.

Like pretty much everyone here outside of some spell-checking and such I don't want any part of the generative AI to seep into the actual writing, and if I find that my partner use it then I would immediately stop the RP right then and there. If my partner is having difficulties to come up with stuff or anything interesting I would just rather brainstorm with them and cook something together or encourage them to use reference pictures or describe what they have in mind to the best of their ability instead of using generative AI as a crutch.

If I accept an RP offer it means I want to write with them, hear their ideas in their own words and have them describe things how they feel is the best. Not AIs version of what my partner might've had in mind based on a prompt they feed to it.
 
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