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Fandomizer said:
If you're going to try to sound like an intellectual maybe don't list Finland twice.
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Thanks for letting me know about the simple mistake I made. I have to admit, I am a bit of an idiot, and you can see it when I accidentally repeat myself. Gosh, bud, what would I do without you?

Now that I've edited that do you have anything to say to engage with me or...? You feelin' better now, bud?
 
Here's the thing about people who "try to sound like intellectuals."

I'm actually quite stupid.

I can barely write my own name. I've invested in four timeshares as part of a real estate flipping scheme but I've found them incredibly difficult to sell! There this thing where if I blink and breathe at the same time I just started screaming and screaming because it's so complicated I can't remember how to breathe again. I had to erect caution tape around the stove because I'm pretty sure one of these times if I pour gasoline on the element it'll turn into a--what do you call it? a vroom-vroom with the wheels you use to control the wheels?--but I keep on burning my time share down!

I'm also dumb enough that when I see a talking point regurgitated from a media propaganda empire I stupidly wade in on the 1% chance that this day, in this moment, someone will be willing to engage without randomly lashing out and perhaps they will view media with a little bit more healthy skepticism.

See? Total moron. Why do I waste bits posting here? You're right! I should get back into my feverish fap hole.

Fap fap fap.
 
Fandomizer said:
You're worked up for no reason using ad hominems. And you clearly care more than me. Have a nice weekend. :)
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I'm sorry--where did I personally attack you?

Because I think I was so busy telling you about how stupid I am and helping you attack myself, I didn't comment on your behavior one bit.

Sorry I just breathed and blinked again and forgot how to do both!

edit: if you're confused because it appears I was insulting myself like a weirdo over a consecutive series of posts, it was because someone popped in, personally attacked me for a while, and then deleted those posts. I'm editing this in right now because I find that kind of behavior odious. This sort of "I'll delete my tweets" behavior is detrimental to the public discourse, and seeing people perpetuate that behavior to get out of feeling or looking bad in front of others is a disservice to themselves and you. It limits opportunities for personal growth, and it actually is hindering the free exchange of ideas that we benefit from in a public exchange like this one.
 
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Well, this thread went about as poorly as I figured it was going to.

On the actual original topic of work culture and where work fits into our lives; I don’t think there’s a lot of people on this planet who would rather work their job than go sit on a beach in Tijuana or something. I think a lot of that is down to the way people perceive what work is.

Fun hypothetical here, what would happen if everyone on earth decided “fuck it, I’m going to the beach”? Besides there being nowhere to put your umbrella, there’d shortly be a complete collapse of society. There’d be no food. Infrastructure would crumble. There’d be no entertainment, no services, etc etc etc. We’d consume whatever was left, and then die off like the least effective grey goo scenario ever.

My point here is that human’s inherently consume. Food, water, entertainment, etc. in order to maintain physiological and psychological baselines instead of just dying. We don’t inherently produce unless we work.

My concept of work: The work I do at my job is the portion of my time where I’m creating value for other people, as a trade-off for the value that I consume myself. I can take solace in the fact that even though it doesn’t feel necessarily enriching to myself when I’m working, I’m creating something other people will be enriched by. Vice versa, when I’m not working and doing things I enjoy, I’m more than likely consuming or making use of the result of someone else’s work. We can’t all produce for ourselves every little thing we need, but we can produce *a* thing, and by trading off with one another end up with all the stuff we want. Even if I don’t always love what I do, it still (at least in my own perception), is time I’m spending on myself indirectly.
 
Passion said:
Not saying fast food doesn't deserve more.
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MysteriousD said:
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Paramedic Shares Awesome Facebook Post About Minimum Wage Increase

“We don't realize they made off with almost the whole damn cake.”
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Don't @ me from a whole damn page ago just bc I worked really hard trying to better myself, and I have a bit of salt seeing that it is now the start rate a teen can get. My feelings are valid. As I said, fast food DOES deserve more, and honestly, my position does deserve more too. PM me if you feel the need to talk about this more. Done here.
 
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I asked for this topic to be closed by moderators. It's not a topic about socialism and even when we get back to hustle culture and the ambition of workers, it seems triggering to the point of incivility. I don't think at this point a decent discussion can be had about this.
 
How can you extricate hustle culture from income? How can you decouple income from our economic system? How can you remove our economic from our political system?

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm trying to point out these things are highly related.
 
The thread title is a common right wing talking point no less.

Interesting point, jobs growth actually slowed after the extended unemployment benefits were ended.
 
Nihilistic_Impact said:
The thread title is a common right wing talking point no less.

Interesting point, jobs growth actually slowed after the extended unemployment benefits were ended.
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Yeah, because it's a talking point that I wanted to challenge, even while admitting, from my point of view, as someone who is finding it difficult to muster the motivation to keep my nose to the grindstone in a service industry job where my position is crucial, yet everyone, customers, bosses, and society at large, treats me like an expendable slave, like I should be grateful just to fucking be here. Fine. Ya got me, right-wing pundits. I don't want to work anymore. Not like this.

That was the spirit with which I chose the title.
 
I would say it's prone to reactionary thought which dehumanizes people.

Because if you don't think of workers as people you can do horrible things to them and still sleep well.
 
Every ideology to one degree or another dehumanizes it’s detractors, that’s not exactly a unique feature of the american right wing
 
There's an element of degrees, though, right? It's worth discussing these elements of behavior, communication styles and attitudes without equivocating them away. For instance, in the United States (at least) what there is of the left is constantly attacking itself, over and over. The right does the same thing, to an extent, but far less so. That doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't talk about it within the context of right wing US groups. See what I mean?
 
I'm honestly pretty bummed about how this thread went. It's a pretty important topic, work being how we literally survive, so talking about it is vital. :/

I was looking forward to jump in from time to time with a point or two!
 
Everything has an element of degrees, I won’t argue you that. I would argue that it’s a semantic difference that bears little on the actual effect of the phenomena in this case. I’d also disagree that such a habit expresses itself to a worse degree by the right wing then the left; the rhetoric about the upper class is far more abrasive and venomous then what is more of a jaded indifference in the opposite direction
 
There is no left party in America, only a center and a far right.

And most third parties make the far right seem sensible, though there's a lot of overlap.
 
I fail to see the relevance of that distinction, especially because I’m not speaking in partisan terms given how broad, big tent, and overall meaningless a generic partisan affiliation actually is. I’m referring to the ‘left-most’ wing of people in the US. Regardless of whether you think they count as “center” or “leftist” doesn’t make much of a difference to the point I’m making
 
Leftist does have a definition, but then it has been the republican party tarring anything they don't like with communism that has helped to lead us to this point where anything remotely center left gets regarded as extreme left.

Shame how the party has fallen from Lincoln who got fan mail from Marx.

Though yes, I am falling down a tangent here.
 
Glass Eye said:
Ultimately, though, I don't imagine this will change your mind or that you'll stop parroting FOX News/NewsCorp talking points. It's much easier to be told than to ask, after all.
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Crap like this is why we can't have civilised debates anymore.

Also I find the bolded line to be hilarious, given how much shilling CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, etc...have done in favour of the Democrats in the USA over the past 5 years.

But you do you, I'll do me, and please don't quote me or reply to me. I'm not interested.
 
Sync said:
Ask the folk in Venezuela or Cuba how socialism is working for them, then get back to me.
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to be fair. that county could had its whole economy built on capitalism and be built around export of one reasource and STILL have the same problems. Equador which has a more mixed and diversified economy with lots of socialized natural resources and it a petrol state survived the same market as Venezuela, so its how they built their economy, not the system they use. as for cuba, considering how the embargo has limited or cut them off from trade and imports for almost 70 years, with the CIA trying to do assasinations, enduring hurricanes better than we do, having better medicine, and dealing with repeated attempts at agricultural sabotage from the CIA, and they are still stable and healthy tells me they are doing something right.
 
I can't speak for everyone but I don't think all millennials are too sensitive and lazy. We live in a world now where it seems you can't have an opinion without being politically correct. But I digress, I believe that its more about the system than the workers though they have a lot to do with it too. I work in a specialized field I went to school and into debt and still had to work outside my field for 7 years before finally getting my foot in the door and I'm still underappreciated and mistreated. Times are changing and I agree with you that it's not just enough to work and survive. We should be thriving but with that line of thinking comes hard work and dedication as well. I feel like I'm rambling but I hope I answered the question.
 
Kiki said:
to be fair. that county could had its whole economy built on capitalism and be built around export of one reasource and STILL have the same problems. Equador which has a more mixed and diversified economy with lots of socialized natural resources and it a petrol state survived the same market as Venezuela, so its how they built their economy, not the system they use. as for cuba, considering how the embargo has limited or cut them off from trade and imports for almost 70 years, with the CIA trying to do assasinations, enduring hurricanes better than we do, having better medicine, and dealing with repeated attempts at agricultural sabotage from the CIA, and they are still stable and healthy tells me they are doing something right.
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What did in Venezuela was ejecting all of the expertise. Robert Mugabe did the same thing, as did Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao. Each had their own reasons, but the result has always been catastrophic.

You really want to destroy a country,support its anti-intellectual movements.

That said, it's clear that central planning doesn't work on large scales. It certainly hasn't done well for any state larger than Cuba.

More on topic, there doesn't seem to be much evidence of this whole laziness thing. Millions of people took their retirement over the pandemic, and those jobs opened up opportunities for other people down the wire.

What is happening is millions of jobs are getting shifted around each month, which is rather unprecedented. Five million people left their jobs in August and unemployment still fell. There are supposedly more open jobs than there are American citizens available to work them.

When labor is scarce, either you go fishing for slaves or labor unites and gains power.

The slavery thing probably isn't going to fly, so the next decade will probably see a small resurgence of unions and other labor movements.
 
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