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BR45 said:Sometimes I don't think it works so cut and dry like that, plenty of people (I shouldn't say it like this, this implies that I actually know these said people) have continued relationships while cheating.
I don't know if it's so much people thinking they're delusional for their relationship being in a perfect little state, but alot of people..well. They just don't like being lied too, which is really what I always hated about it.
Here's the thing that's entirely wrong with your logic.Calista said:Maybe I just have a different view on cheating since it's never happened to me before, but I hope people don't flame me for my opinion. XD
Anyway. I don't think cheating is that big of a deal. Yes, it hurts, but if the person cheated on you there was obviously something not right happening in the relationship, or you just 'weren't meant for each other' - as cheesy as it sounds, it's true. Obviously the cheater should break it off before having sex with someone just out of respect, but I don't think it makes a big difference anyway. Yeah, having someone cheat on you hurts, but having someone break up with you hurts, too.
I'm not saying cheating is okay by any means, but I think that some people are in this delusional state where they thought they were in a perfect little relationship, then their partner cheated on them and ZOMG ITS ALL THEIR FAULT they ruined it!!!111 Clearly it's their fault for doing the actual act, and they could probably just have been a jerk that you shouldn't have been in a relationship in - but they cheated for a reason, and it's likely not all their fault. If you got into a relationship with someone who was an asshole and who ended up cheating, it's partially your fault for getting into it - what did you expect to happen? That you'd magically change them? If you get into a relationship with someone and it's dysfunctional and not working, they might cheat because they're unhappy. I also hate how, for whatever reason, women have that stereotype that they get mad at the other woman instead of their husband/boyfriend. Honestly, I couldn't care less who my significant other cheated on, as long as it wasn't my sister, or one of my friends. -_-;;
Ilovegoatse said:Some people just cheat for the hell of it, others do it for more attention. You can't always tell that there's a problem. It's not always "WELL THE GIRL DATED THE ASSHOLE, DUH". Sometimes it's the sweetest most nicest person you ever know. Also, if someone cheats, it is their fault, it is entirely their fault for not breaking off the relationship if they were unhappy with it. After all, it's respect to break off the relationship if you aren't happy. If you're too much of a wimp or scared to hurt someone because of it, it's your fault. Plus, you'll only hurt them more if you continue cheating.
Ilovegoatse said:You are ALSO not taking into accounts of STDs and the like. You could end up getting some horrible diseases from your partner sleeping around without you even knowing it! Oh, I guess that's totally something you brush off? No, it's not. You could end up horribly sick, in pain, and miserable because of a partner cheating on you.
Ilovegoatse said:Also, cheating hurts more than breaking up. It basically means "I don't have enough respect for you to tell you how I feel. So I basically figured it'd be better to cheat behind your back, yaay~" To think otherwise would be completely stupid. At least if they break up with you, you knew they treated you enough like a person that they'd bother to tell you.
Ilovegoatse said:The one I was with never had a history of cheating, ever. They just suddenly decided they weren't getting enough attention from me, and did it to piss me off, so that I'd show them more love. Sure they were always a little bit of an attention monger by telling me depressing things about their life. But to jump to cheating was an extreme. I DID NOT date an asshole who always cheated on everyone they had been with. We had been together for over FOUR YEARS when they did this. So yeah, I think I deserve to feel a little hurt when I invested so much time into a relationship that went into ashes. Cheating IS a big deal, because even if it is a new relationship, you put your trust in someone who gave you the finger.
Ilovegoatse said:All I can say is wait till you're cheated on, then you say that again. I'm sorry, but it honestly offends me when someone says "OH, TAKING YOUR HEART AND STOMPING ON IT ISN'T A BIG DEAL GUYZ. IT'S PARTIALLY YOUR FAULT ANYWAYS. YOU ASSUMED IT WAS GRAND"
Every relationship has problems, but they shouldn't always resort to cheating. It's called talking to your partner and figuring out what's wrong with them, not just betraying them.
You have the stereotype that all cheaters are extremely obvious, sure in your highschool years they are, and in tv they are. But in real life, it isn't always so obvious.
It's not easy to tell when it's an act or not. Some people even do it on impulse when it's completely uncharacteristic of them.Calista said:If he was the swetest, nicest person you ever knew then clearly he wouldn't cheat on you. I know that people can put on an act sometimes, but if you're in a healthy relationship you'll know the person. I never meant to blame the non-cheating person for the other person's cheating, I just think that people shouldn't act all surprised about it when their relationship was not working.
Calista said:That's what safe sex is for. And, as silly as it sounds, if I'm going to have sex with someone I'll take them to the hospital and get them tested for every possible sexual transmitted disease there is, and still use a condom regardless of that. Again, it's not the person's fault for having a cheating partner, but when you have sex you HAVE to be careful. I don't wish STDs on anyone, but when you have sex you have to be careful about what you are doing.
Calista said:Cheating does hurt more than breaking up, but both of them hurt, that was my point. I never said they were completely equal or that cheating felt better. -_-
Calista said:I think you're being a little bit too personal and taking my opinion out of context and making it seem like I'm on the cheater's side. I'm not. All I'm saying is that when you get into a committed relationship, you have to take everything into consideration. I think that cheating is an awful, painful thing to deal with, and clearly it's worse when you've been in a relationship for a long time. I'd be hurt if someone cheated on me, especially if I was with them for a long time... but honestly, if the relationship couldn't be mended, then I wouldn't be that sad about it. I'd rather be in no relationship at all than in one that's not going to last and will bring unhappiness.
Calista said:Yes, because that's exactly what I said. :roll: If it offends you so greatly because I don't think that cheating is the worst thing in the whole world, then sorry, but that's my opinion. It wasn't malicious or targeting anyone, and I never said something as ridiculous as that, so don't try to take my words out of context just because you want to scream at someone on the internet. Not all cheaters are obvious, I never said that - some are, some aren't. My overall point is that when someone cheats on you, there was something wrong in the relationship.
Ilovegoatse said:Well, you basically said most people who are cheated on are at fault. So, since I was cheated on, I assume you mean what you said. Of course you could point out you said 'most, but not all'. It's still a generalization regardless. Also, it's hard to simply just say "oh well" and move on, when you invest so much time, it's not as simple as turning the switch off. Once again, you haven't experienced it, so you can't exactly say how you'd feel.
Ryang Jegal said:I'm going to speak as somebody who has been cheated on, so I'm allowed to have an opinion, yay.
I think her point is that it ends up being the fault of both parties, even if one is arguably more at fault than the other. If one person thinks that a relationship is 'perfect' yet the other doesn't, that's always going to lead to problems. As shitty as being cheated on is, it lets you learn something about the other person and yourself, so at least there's something good that comes out of it.
Mitsuomi said:Dumping someone because of intense sex sounds odd.
I can sort of see some logic to it though. Sometimes people have sex to relax and have fun, to absolutely exhaust themselves if you really are that wild.
Another thing guys look at is this freak level. If a girl is extremely eager and creative and does stuff you've never seen before, you start thinking that she's done this with other people, then how many other people... then how long ago, and it all goes downhill from there.
Being a freak isn't always an asset in some people's guide.
BR45 said:I dunno, usually when you date someone who has a bit more wild interests; it's generally mentioned somewhere that the sex isn't going to be so reserved. At that point it's really only yourself to blame for not really figuring out what "wild" meant.
I've never really worried about what other people the girl dated before, what matters is she stays with me while we are dating. Sides that, not much you can do..caring about who she slept with before she met you is a bit of a pointless thought process.
I mean, It's kinda hard to really be a good boyfriend if you keep wondering who's better in bed, you or a former boyfriend. Because you get hung up on some sort of ego-dick fight with a guy who probably doesn't even matter.
Notte said:You know, I agree.
But no matter what a person is like in bed, they can always be trainable on how to pleasure you.
If they disagree with the help on how to please, then whatever. You're stuck with bad sex.
However, people do tend to get better at it with practice.
Although, I can say this with a scientific fact - I have not ever had STD's. I always get checked before and after each and every sexual partner I have ever had. The majority of the time, I will also make them get checked out as well. If something just happens, you know what I mean, then fine, whatever. They will wear a condom. But either way, I'll always still get checked.
Ilovegoatse said:Ryang Jegal said:I'm going to speak as somebody who has been cheated on, so I'm allowed to have an opinion, yay.
I think her point is that it ends up being the fault of both parties, even if one is arguably more at fault than the other. If one person thinks that a relationship is 'perfect' yet the other doesn't, that's always going to lead to problems. As shitty as being cheated on is, it lets you learn something about the other person and yourself, so at least there's something good that comes out of it.
So thinking a relationship is going good is a bad thing? I honestly don't see how saying one has a stable relationship is reason that it's their fault their lover isn't satisfied when they don't say a thing. That seems a little silly to me.
Edit: I mean seriously. Thinking you have a good relationship makes it your fault? Does that mean we should all be insecure in our relationships? Isn't that one of the things that leads to cheating? Constant insecurity and harassing the other on their loyalty? This just baffles me that not being constantly suspicious makes it your fault for being cheated on, even in the slightest. I hope I'm misunderstanding, I really do.
Ilovegoatse said:Ryang Jegal said:I'm going to speak as somebody who has been cheated on, so I'm allowed to have an opinion, yay.
I think her point is that it ends up being the fault of both parties, even if one is arguably more at fault than the other. If one person thinks that a relationship is 'perfect' yet the other doesn't, that's always going to lead to problems. As shitty as being cheated on is, it lets you learn something about the other person and yourself, so at least there's something good that comes out of it.
So thinking a relationship is going good is a bad thing? I honestly don't see how saying one has a stable relationship is reason that it's their fault their lover isn't satisfied when they don't say a thing. That seems a little silly to me.
Edit: I mean seriously. Thinking you have a good relationship makes it your fault? Does that mean we should all be insecure in our relationships? Isn't that one of the things that leads to cheating? Constant insecurity and harassing the other on their loyalty? This just baffles me that not being constantly suspicious makes it your fault for being cheated on, even in the slightest. I hope I'm misunderstanding, I really do.
Ilovegoatse said:This is completely true, actually. People won't get better at sex if you deny them it, duh. Plus, like you said, just train 'em up one what you like, viola. :]
Oh, and sorry to say but STD tests are extremely inaccurate. Also, some STDs take years to show up, and you can have them without knowing. Even tests for AIDs are known to give false positives. :\ Don't mean to be a downer, just saying. But, since you use protection and whatnot, you have a lot better chance of being clean than someone who just ignores such a simple way to stay safe. It's still good to get tested, anyways, just in case. I hate it when people say "GAH, THAT'S TOO MUCH OF A BOTHER " It really isn't.
Calista said:LOL. Okay, the point is that when you think your relationship is good when it's not is the problem. Thinking your relationship is good when it is good is fine. Does that make it easier to understand? You don't have to be insecure when you're in a relationship, but you have to be realistic. Many people, regardless of what you say, are unrealistic and are blind to problems they see. The most important thing about a relationship is trust, so clearly being suspicious is not what anyone was implying one had to be.
Oh wait, since I haven't been cheated on this means that I have no right to voice my opinion in this thread, disregard any previous logical statements I've made above. :roll:
Ryang Jegal said:Nice job! The word 'good' isn't even in my post. I said nothing about thinking a relationship is 'good', and that can be a positive thing as long as you have good reasons to feel that way. But people who delude themselves into thinking they have a perfect relationship are almost always missing important things. Just like you did! :mrgreen:
Seriously, how many stories about cheaters have you heard/read that went "everything was perfect until the other person cheated on me"? That's exactly the sort of thinking that Calista is telling people to avoid.
I have a relationship that I think is going very well, but I know that there are still things to be worked on, and I'm not going to get complacent about it.
Ilovegoatse said:Edit:
And Notte, that's extremely wise of you. I'm glad you're so responsible about sex and the like. It proves that people who are into the freaky stuff aren't careless. :]
I'm into BDSM too, lived the life style and everything. :] I didn't mean for BDSM specifically, I just meant it was a good thing to be responsible in general. You aren't telling me anything I haven't already lived or known, ehehe.Notte said:Ilovegoatse said:Edit:
And Notte, that's extremely wise of you. I'm glad you're so responsible about sex and the like. It proves that people who are into the freaky stuff aren't careless. :]
Actually, I believe that the majority of people that are into BDSM are more responsible when it comes to sex and the like. Its all because of how one is supposed to care for the other, before, during, and after any type of sexual act. Like, when you punish a submissive, even while they could be deserving of the punishment. You should always care for them afterwards. Its about trust and safety in something that isn't SSC (Safe, Sane, and Consensual), but RACK (Risk-Aware, Consensual Kink).