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Question Question to staff about rule 5 changes

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Solo said:
As stated, staff is discussing the wording and updates will be made if needed. As written, in the meantime, if a message is not reported, no action will be taken.
We appreciate your suggestions.
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Thank you for being open to our input.
I have nothing more to add.
 
Lurker said:
On the contrary, the rule as stated opens loopholes.
A person can send unsolicited pictures that are inappropriate even when tagged NSFW.
A person can send unsolicited text that is more inappropriate than, say, artistic nudity.
Both cases are not covered by the rule, and the wording gives that person an excuse to say that they are compliant.
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NSFW text really isn't a concern. The NSFW rule is for people that get on the site at school or work, or any public space where images could be seen clearly. Rule 5 is specific to images.

The NSFW tag or warning at least let's the member know what to expect and they can choose to open it or not. The same with threads or public posts.
 
NSFW text really isn't a concern. The NSFW rule is for people that get on the site at school or work, or any public space where images could be seen clearly.

The NSFW tag or warning at least let's the member know what to expect and they can choose to open it or not. The same with threads or public posts.

This is insanity, how can you care about images but not text. I've seen waaay more offensive and NSFW stuff in text, as I'm sure most people have here. Anyone looking over your shoulder can read a word and and go "The hell is that?"

You can't be concerned for one aspect of NSFW and not the other.

I get you're all trying to cover bases and I have been a mod, I know that you guys get odd and stupid stuff that you have to deal with, but I also know that there are likely 3 of you making every choice for the entire mod team.

This is all ill thought out let alone announced.
 
batman4560 said:
NSFW text really isn't a concern. The NSFW rule is for people that get on the site at school or work, or any public space where images could be seen clearly.

The NSFW tag or warning at least let's the member know what to expect and they can choose to open it or not. The same with threads or public posts.

This is insanity, how can you care about images but not text. I've seen waaay more offensive and NSFW stuff in text, as I'm sure most people have here. Anyone looking over your shoulder can read a word and and go "The hell is that?"

You can't be concerned for one aspect of NSFW and not the other.

I get you're all trying to cover bases and I have been a mod, I know that you guys get odd and stupid stuff that you have to deal with, but I also know that there are likely 3 of you making every choice for the entire mod team.

This is all ill thought out let alone announced.
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I can read someone's screen only when they are directly next to me. I can see an image on someone's screen from across my office building. There is quite a bit more 'risk' in NSFW imagery than text.

Again: if you already ask before sending unlabeled NSFW or if you already label your NSFW, then this rule change literally will not affect you at all.
 
I agree, but I can also have anyone walk by and pause. Most people shouldn't be on their phone or a different site at work anyway so someone is going to notice.

In addition by you all announcing the rule change than saying "It's not gonna be enforced unless there is a report" haven't you all just wasted everyone's time since obviously you'd look into a report of unwanted images? There, I've said my peace, everyone agrees the change was poorly worded and completely unneeded in most senses of the word. Enjoy your day gang.
 
batman4560 said:
I agree, but I can also have anyone walk by and pause. Most people shouldn't be on their phone or a different site at work anyway so someone is going to notice.

In addition by you all announcing the rule change than saying "It's not gonna be enforced unless there is a report" haven't you all just wasted everyone's time since obviously you'd look into a report of unwanted images? There, I've said my peace, everyone agrees the change was poorly worded and completely unneeded in most senses of the word. Enjoy your day gang.
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We look into every report. The rule was changed, purposefully and needfully so, because we did not previously have a rule against sending unlabeled NSFW, which does not leave a member who receives this and doesn't want it any avenue to report it.

Again, as Saber stated, if we do not have a rule being broken to point to, we cannot approach someone about breaking a rule. Because this rule was put in place, the people who are affected by it (those who receive this content and do not want to) are protected, and those who it does not affect (those who either label their content or both parties have consented to embedding this content) are literally not affected at all. If there is no effect on the second group whatsoever, I would rather protect the first group than not.

Staff will be discussing the wording and changes will be made if deemed necessary.
I hope you have a wonderful day as well.
 
batman4560 said:
NSFW text really isn't a concern. The NSFW rule is for people that get on the site at school or work, or any public space where images could be seen clearly.

The NSFW tag or warning at least let's the member know what to expect and they can choose to open it or not. The same with threads or public posts.

This is insanity, how can you care about images but not text. I've seen waaay more offensive and NSFW stuff in text, as I'm sure most people have here. Anyone looking over your shoulder can read a word and and go "The hell is that?"

You can't be concerned for one aspect of NSFW and not the other.

I get you're all trying to cover bases and I have been a mod, I know that you guys get odd and stupid stuff that you have to deal with, but I also know that there are likely 3 of you making every choice for the entire mod team.

This is all ill thought out let alone announced.
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As stated by another member in this thread, this is an adult writing site. Imagine the problems other members would have if we even attempted policing NSFW text on an adult writing site? As I said before, rule 5 is specific to images.

Being upset over a rule change is fine and the suggestions to wording are appreciated, but realistically, if someone gets unsolicited NSFW text, I'd imagine it's a prompt or creepy/derogatory language. The latter falls under a different rule completely.

Regardless of opinion, the announcement made is to make members aware so concerns can be addressed and changes can be made accordingly.
 
I’ll just chalk this up to not being a rule I need to ever care about. I’ve seen my share of floppy discs and I just leave those conversations.

Can’t wait for the

Hi Wanna RP -NSFW- to litter my inbox
 
Galisenae said:
All it's doing is forcing everyone to jump through yet another meaningless hoop.
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I can't disagree. The people doing this stuff probably won't care about a ban or whatever, anyway, they'll still troll people because that's the laugh they'll be looking for; it simply punishes actual law-abiding users when they do inevitably forget to mark it as NSFW. This is just as ridiculous as the recent Rule 4 change which does nothing but hinder people when they didn't have to do it in the first place if they didn't like it. BMR is becoming more and more anti-member with every passing week; they always cry "but muh slippery slope fallacy!", when the reality is they are only proving me and others right every time they do this nonsense.
 
I, for one, really appreciate this rule. All too often do I get messages that are NSFW and then get assulted by images im just not interested in, did not request, or even allude to. While the few of you may not be getting that issues there are likely hundreds who do and it can make being here uncomfortable. It appears that with these rule changes you guys are more concerned about yourselves than the general public. Thats fine, you can keep accepting these situations but it isnt right to subject the rest of us to it.

And to say people shouldn't be on here at work is very obtuse. People make friends, they should be able to socilize how they deem fit for their lives.


Staff has stated several times that they won't be back tracking in PMs or having other members do that, that only one staff member can see pms if needed, that if you agreed to receive nsfw pms then thats fine. You guys are making it seem like they just flipped this place on its head. They did not, they put a rule in for people in my position who need it and will feel safer with it.

Please do not disregard peoples need for safety in the community.
 
Kassia said:
It appears that with these rule changes you guys are more concerned about yourselves than the general public.
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If you cared about not recieving NSFW stuff, you wouldn't be on an adult-oriented site. It really is as simple as that. You wouldn't go on a porn site and expect to not see... well... porn...

Even the landing page for this site mentions adult content, which is clearly a blanket message for the entire site:
Hosted by Elliquiy Sexual Role Play Forums
Blue Moon is a public adult forum and thus not responsible for the content or actions of its members.
All material is copyright © by the original authors. Posting on Blue Moon grants indefinite rights for us to host said material.
You must be eighteen years of age or older to enter. If you find pornographic content offensive, you may enter. We will happily mock your opinion.
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It's just more hypocrisy by BMR. Saying you don't want to see NFSW content on an NSFW site is just absurd and a fallacy in itself.
 
The difference is that this is is not a porn site. This is a writing site. People also go on things like Reddit, Facebook, etc. that can have NSFW text / images but that also take precautions to make sure these are appropriately hidden behind warnings.

The disclaimer at the bottom of the site is to show that the site is for 18+ due to housing adult content, not to state that porn will be unexpectedly posted or sent.
 
tsukasa said:
If you cared about not recieving NSFW stuff, you wouldn't be on an adult-oriented site. It really is as simple as that. You wouldn't go on a porn site and expect to not see... well... porn...

Even the landing page for this site mentions adult content, which is clearly a blanket message for the entire site:
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The issue is is that I, and many people here, have safety standards. We come here to WRITE not be bombarded by nsfw pics.

I'd assume you also come here to write, your RT shows that you take great care in it. Why wouldn't you want to have standards and safety where you spend a chunk of your time.

Clearly you care about safety based on the chat option you suggest in your RT. Why should my opportunity for safety also be hindered? You are judging my message on just meeting me, but you don't know what I've been through as a member to judge me on why I'm here, nor have you seen messages by other members who probably have been through similar situations.

Please do some introspection. I deserve just as much consideration as you do to be here. You have taken steps to be safe. But those same options are not available to me, but they have been recently by the staff and for that I feel better about my time here and I am positive others also do too.
 
I will say that there are people on this site in the past who have sent me unwanted NSFW images. To the point where I've had to make it a rule on my RT not to do that. Just because someone is on an adult creative writing site doesn't mean that automatically it's okay to send everyone unsolicited dick picks, breast pics, or hentai if they didn't ask for it. Yes, you're on an adult writing site but you should also conduct yourself in a respectful manner towards your peers. Common decency, you know?

For those it doesn't effect, good for you. You don't have this problem but please don't speak for the rest of the forum as if this issue doesn't effect others because there are those like Kassia and myself that ARE effected by this. I appreciate the staff making it a safer environment for those of us that don't want to have to use eye bleach every other PM when we didn't ask for it.
 
For at least as long as I've been active around here -- for at least the past few years --, there've been pretty clear rules about appropriately tagging/spoilering NSFW content in threads, profile posts and even profile pictures; I always thought it was fair to follow the same basic standards in private conversations and expect others to do the same. I've never received any unsolicited porn without warning, and wasn't even aware it wasn't already a rule until now, but I'm glad it can be reported now in case it does happen.

Thanks for clarifications, and for keeping us in the loop, Mod Team.
 
I've had it happen. Did it ruffle my feathers? Yeah but I blocked them and moved on with my life. However, for this rule change, clearly it has become a problem for staff enough to now have to make it. I didn't ask for the change but seeing that it's now a rule is nice.

Would it make that much of a difference between consenting people? Not at all. You're free to go on about your lives since you both know you like sending NSFW stuff to one another.

Just that if people want to send images it's saying that you should check first. We're human so someone's probably going to make a mistake. It happens. So long as it's not frequent then no real harm or foul. This is for the frequent problem people. Which you should always report. This just states more clearly that it's not allowed because maybe newbies thought it was okay to do? I really don't know. But thank you, staff. I don't know what happened behind the scenes for this change but thank you.
 
This seems really simple. It's to ensure that people who don't want to receive pornographic images have a right to say they don't want them. Whether it's because of where they access the site, or personal preference, or simply because they're not interested or it upsets them, it doesn't really matter. If you want to PM another user with porn, you have to ask them first. How is this a bad thing? It's absolutely decent.

I'm here to WRITE. I don't want users cold-calling/PMing me with pornographic images out of nowhere. Would I report someone for doing that? I haven't so far. But I really like that the option is there now and that the Staff clearly take their roles and safe-guarding the community seriously.
 
Yeah, wording of the rules aside, I see nothing wrong with this.

You shouldn't be sending NSFW imagery to people unprompted. That should be a no-brainer. But also, it seems to be the majority of the people complaining simply don't agree with the way it was written. I agree with the intent of the change but maybe it shouldn't be piggy bagging off of an existing rule and maybe it should be its own thing, or have a separate clause describing exactly what happens when it comes to PMs.
 
Blackmane said:
Yeah, wording of the rules aside, I see nothing wrong with this.
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As the person who started this thread and posted the original question:
It was always about the wording, and whether this particular implementation is the best way to tackle it.
The fact that BMR needs a rule against sending unsolicited NSFW content without consent was never in question.
 
Lurker said:
As the person who started this thread and posted the original question:
It was always about the wording, and whether this particular implementation is the best way to tackle it.
The fact that BMR needs a rule against sending unsolicited NSFW content without consent was never in question.
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Perhaps it wasn't in question by you, but it has been by others. Some users seem to be stuck on the "adult roleplay site" in the disclaimer being an umbrella term for all pornography, and that receiving NSFW images privately without warning or consent should be not only just accepted, but expected. There was also another member who called out a user specifically by username and attacked her for saying she didn't want pornographic imagery. It has since been deleted, but it was pretty appalling.

The Staff have said that they're taking the suggestions under advisement and are open to rewording it so that there is no confusion. As rule changes or amendments go, it's a pretty small/basic one. A good rule of thumb in general is to stick your dick gifs in spoiler tags, anyway.
 
tsukasa said:
It's just more hypocrisy by BMR. Saying you don't want to see NFSW content on an NSFW site is just absurd and a fallacy in itself.
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So if someone, out of nowhere, sent you a few pictures of large-breasted women getting nailed by dogs and horses, you'd be completely okay with it? I mean, people are sending NSFW material on a NSFW site, so according to you that's okay.

Or would you rather there be a few rules and guidelines in place to try and prevent that sort of behaviour?
 
Apologies for the delay; staff does discuss all changes before they are made, so we need to ensure we are in agreement before doing so. Rule #5 has been updated to now read:
5. If you would like to use NSFW (Not Safe For Work) images in any thread, you have a few options. If you would like to embed NSFW images without using spoiler tags or links, you must include the term "NSFW" in your thread, just as it is written here. If you are using spoiler code or links (how to do so using BBCode can be found here) for NSFW images, they must be individually labeled as NSFW or have an easy-to-read disclaimer before the spoilers or links that any spoilers or links may be NSFW. The site must always be safe for members to browse.

For private message conversations, check with the conversation recipient before sending NSFW imagery. If they request that you spoiler/link and label NSFW images, you must do so.

NSFW imagery is defined by staff as any image that contains visible genitalia, visible nipples on female breasts, backside spread in a way to show the anus, people or creatures (drawn, animated, or real) engaging in sexual acts, or scenes of excessive gore. These will be judged at staff discretion.
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Thank you @Lurker for bringing this to our attention, and we hope this conveys the spirit of the rule in a more clarified way.
 
Solo said:
Thank you @Lurker for bringing this to our attention, and we hope this conveys the spirit of the rule in a more clarified way.
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Thank you!

"For private message conversations, check with the conversation recipient before sending NSFW imagery. If they request that you spoiler/link and label NSFW images, you must do so." is perfect, as far as I'm concerned.

You people are doing excellent work.
 
In fairness to the mods here I can't see how they could be expected to anticipate every single naunce or consequence of a rule change. Sometimes you just have to comprehend why a rule exists and act accordingly.

Maybe when doing request threads people could add a sentence saying "I am happy to receive NSFW images in PM" or "No NSFW images please" in the same way as many are now specifying their personal pronouns.
 
Having only recently come back to this site…
This rule seems like a perfectly fine adjustment. It won’t affect people who are courteous to others-as mentioned by the staff, even if you forget to label something NSFW, they aren’t hunting for it. The person on the other end needs to report it. Don’t send pics in an unsolicited fashion, and you won’t have an issue.

I’d also like to voice some appreciation for the staff, for helping keep this site working. :)
 
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