Pedophilia Versus Anime Lolicon.

[Kite Xiroh]

This is true. There are people who would want to take their fantasies much farther than they should.

Exactly!
So, do you see how anime lolicon is almost as bad as child porn?
It's all fantasy anyway, since the person watching child porn isn't hurting the child. But they could. So, defending anime lolicon with the 'fantasy' thing don't really make much sense.

But, I'm not technically antagonizing you, I'm still trying to figure out a logical difference.

&& Calista:
In some ways that makes perfect sense. But, still...it does encourage it just as much.
God.
I hate it when people make me think really seriously like this.
But, I'm under the opinion that it's probably more wrong than right anyway.

You aren't acknowledging the fact that there are people who are arroused by anime lolicon, but absolutely despise actual children being sexually abused.

 

[Calista]

Exactly!
So, do you see how anime lolicon is almost as bad as child porn?
It's all fantasy anyway, since the person watching child porn isn't hurting the child. But they could. So, defending anime lolicon with the 'fantasy' thing don't really make much sense.

But, I'm not technically antagonizing you, I'm still trying to figure out a logical difference.

There is the whole issue that looking at anime lolicon could cause a pedophile to move onto real children. It's sort of similar to how people who commit violent crimes escalate every time... but. The big but, of course.

In my opinion, I think that a pedophile who exploits a child would have done it anyway, regardless of if they looked at anime lolicon or not. Either way, it is a very tricky argument! There really isn't any perfect solution. I think that for some the anime lolicon would help suppress their urges enough for them to live relatively normal lives.

 

[Vekseid]

Anything can lead to anything. Looking at anime lolicon doesn't mean that person will go out and exploit children. I know this argument isn't the best, but some may argue that if there wasn't lolicon pedophiles would be exploiting children more often to satisfy their desires. : /

That seems to be what the picture in the OP suggests. Obviously, not everyone acts on their desires and most people are fully capable of controlling them.

Not acting on our inner urges is one of the facets of humanity after all. Nearly everyone is a potential thief because nearly everyone has seem something they don't have that they want.

Personally, I like anime redheads because I like redheads in real life, despite the trouble they cause >_>
Same with green eyes and if elves were real you can bet I'd hit that.

This does not equate to me necessarily acting on a specific urge - that's not what is typically being equated. The equation is... why do you like lolicon?

 

[Kite Xiroh]

You're quite insightful Vekseid. I commend you.

 

[Sapphire Eyes]

Kite: I do acknowledge that fact.
I havenâ??t grouped anybody into specific groups â?? because I donâ??t know exactly what someone who enjoys watching anime lolicon thinks like. I definitely donâ??t know what a person who watches child porn thinks either.

So, Iâ??m just stating that it could encourage it. There are decent people out there like that, who just look at a child and couldnâ??t stand them hurt, but there are others not so noble.
Does that make sense?

Calista:
Ah...you're probably correct in more ways than one. I just wish that it didn't exist. Then again, this isn't a perfect world.
I understand what you're saying, I just can't honestly make myself say that I would rather anyone supporting either of them. To me, lolicon is supporting that...just a little, and I can't wrap my mind around it.
But, you make sense. ^^ So... yeah. Yay for you.

 

[Calista]

That seems to be what the picture in the OP suggests. Obviously, not everyone acts on their desires and most people are fully capable of controlling them.

Not acting on our inner urges is one of the facets of humanity after all. Nearly everyone is a potential thief because nearly everyone has seem something they don't have that they want.

Personally, I like anime redheads because I like redheads in real life, despite the trouble they cause >_>
Same with green eyes and if elves were real you can bet I'd hit that.

This does not equate to me necessarily acting on a specific urge - that's not what is typically being equated. The equation is... why do you like lolicon?

Of course not acting on our urges is something that everyone must do - for most, probably at least once a day. Also, redheads definitely do not cause trouble I take offense to that.

If the question is 'Why do you like lolicon?', I'd think it's because of either a) Some sort of traumatic experience as a child, or b) A mental illness. I know some people think it's silly to label anyone with someone wrong, but I honestly do not think pedophiles choose to be attracted to children - why would someone condemn themselves to such a sad, lonely, self-hating existence? It's just a very tricky situation, since there's no real cure for pedophilia.

 

[Kite Xiroh]

How do you know all pedophiles hate themselves for raping young children?

 

[Calista]

How do you know all pedophiles hate themselves for raping young children?

I'm talking about the pedophiles who don't act on their urges, mostly. But, I don't think that the rapists like themselves, either. I'm not a pedophile or a rapist so it's sort of hard for me to comprehend, but I don't think they'd be happy, regardless. Not like it matters what a rapist thinks, I have no sympathy for them.

 

[Kite Xiroh]

Sorry about that. I think I might have read it too fast. :lol:

 

[Calista]

Sorry about that. I think I might have read it too fast. :lol:

I was more or less just referring to the attraction to children and not acts against them, but I suppose I could've made it more clear, so don't worry about it. I think it's an interesting topic to discuss, even if it's a little depressing!

 

[Vekseid]

Of course not acting on our urges is something that everyone must do - for most, probably at least once a day. Also, redheads definitely do not cause trouble I take offense to that.

I will allow you the chance to prove yourselfe the exception to the rule : )

If the question is 'Why do you like lolicon?', I'd think it's because of either a) Some sort of traumatic experience as a child, or b) A mental illness. I know some people think it's silly to label anyone with someone wrong, but I honestly do not think pedophiles choose to be attracted to children - why would someone condemn themselves to such a sad, lonely, self-hating existence? It's just a very tricky situation, since there's no real cure for pedophilia.

It occurred to me that you might think I directed that question at you, sorry if it seemed that way.

Pedophilia is classified as a mental illness. The question though is for people who like lolicon but don't wish to admit to pedophilia - or at least the attraction. So it doesn't really apply to you, per se.

 

[Calista]

I will allow you the chance to prove yourselfe the exception to the rule : )

Hurray.

It occurred to me that you might think I directed that question at you, sorry if it seemed that way.

Pedophilia is classified as a mental illness. The question though is for people who like lolicon but don't wish to admit to pedophilia - or at least the attraction. So it doesn't really apply to you, per se.

Oh no, don't worry, I didn't think you were directing it at me, I was just trying to answer the question generally. I don't even like anime lolicon - it doesn't bother me like some people but it's not something that interests me. I'm not sure, though, that is a tricky question. I don't think there are many people who like lolicon who don't have some sort of attraction to children... if so, that seems a little hard to believe but I suppose it's possible? :s

 

[Levoot]

Lolicon is a little bit strange. I guess the whole point of lolicon fans is the whole idea that it isn't a real child.

Anime can do a lot of things.

Create women with impossibly huge breasts.

Men with titanic penises.

No one ever gets and STD (to my knowing) or pregnant despite tons of cumshots.

Oh, the cumshots are super mega dosed.

You can fuck nipples.

And young girls, the loli's, know everything about sex. Plus they can take a cock.

 

[Levoot]

Child pornography- I have never seen it, and I never want to. There is no possible joy I could ever have, thinking about me fucking a girl younger than 18. Okay truthfully maybe 16. Girls are growing fast these days.

Lolicon - It's a fantasy. Often times it would be a small girl with her father, an older brother, a family friend. Hentai gets a lot of bang from actual shows and video games too.

You play Final Fantasy and want to screw one of the mages.

You watch an anime and want to see the protagonists naked.

That's where the money is.

Lolicon is the same thing.

There's a game I think is called Disgea check the spelling. There's a cute girl, Etna. She's a loli. But she's extremely on high demand because she's popular. Not child pornography. Just cool, harmless hentai.

 

[Vekseid]

Anime can do a lot of things.

So can CGI and oil painting.

Create women with impossibly huge breasts.

Pick a letter of the alphabet, they can be rendered or drawn in a different style.

Men with titanic penises.

Same.

No one ever gets and STD (to my knowing) or pregnant despite tons of cumshots.

Same, or not, but no difference between anime and other styles here.

Oh, the cumshots are super mega dosed.

And this requires anime how?

You can fuck nipples.

Again, this requires anime how?

 

[clonewar]

i don't think its actually about children

but youth and innocence purity

i mean have you seen the breast on some of them

ahah maybe even a height size thing ahahah

 

[Kite Xiroh]

Dood, this topic is dead and done.

let it rest in peace.

 

[clonewar]

my bad did not check date...maybe ill start my own

 

[Hahvoc The Decepticon]

Exactly!
So, do you see how anime lolicon is almost as bad as child porn?
It's all fantasy anyway, since the person watching child porn isn't hurting the child. But they could.

The thing about this is that what you said is more or less counter productive. They are watching child porn. They are helping support child porn. The children were already hurt and they helped fuel the industry. It's not a matter of if they would or could hurt the children. It's already been done.

The only actual difference between child porn and anime lolicon is that anime isn't real and child porn is. People will not necessarily act upon their urges to screw and molest little children, but at least anime is the safer route since the children aren't real and are cartoons.

Still. It doesn't make it right.​

 

[Ilovegoatse]

Noo... Let this die. D: It's beating a dead horse at this point.

 

[Hahvoc The Decepticon]

XD Whoops. I didn't know it was dead. I didn't look at the dates. My b~​