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This was brought to my attention the other day by a member and I felt strongly enough to post it here in R&As just so that people are made aware that such things are going on in the world.

So please take some time to watch the following short movie. Your eyes will be opened and your heart torn in two. And you'll understand completely why this has been posted.

Invisibile Children

Thanks, Nihil, for bringing this to my attention.
 
Note I typed this up on a slow day at work while looking into this, so it will be a long read and I don’t know as I am typing if any will share my concern. At the risk of sounding like a devil’s advocate, I want to bring up something. I often like to check the source and never get my news from just one place. I want to share my findings.

http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/

This, origionally from 2006, mentions he was a problem but no longer, and what Kony 2012 is really advocating is him being brought to justice. I think he is still sympathetic to the organization, but just want to bring this fact to everyone attention.

“Uganda is no longer experiencing violence from the LRA. Yes, I said it. It’s an uncomfortable truth, but it is a truth. For about the last year, since before IC hit the scene, Kony and his troops have been pushed into Congo, into the Garamba National Forest there. He’s sick, starving, and on his last legs. For the first time, Uganda is in the middle of real peace talks and the rebels have laid down their arms and are assembling to make peace. Why? This is happening because Joseph Kony was defeated.”

Similarly:

http://justiceinconflict.org/2012/03/07/taking-kony-2012-down-a-notch/

“It isn’t hard to imagine why the views of northern Ugandans wouldn’t be considered: they don’t fit with the narrative produced and reproduced in the insulated echo chamber that produced the ‘Kony 2012′ film.”

I also found this who voices his opposition harder... maybe too far.

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/life/kony-2012-why-im-opposed-to-the-campaign/

“Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.”

Another who claims to work in Africa:

http://www.blackstarnews.com/news/122/ARTICLE/6586/2010-06-02.html

“You may think that I would welcome the passage of this bill as a beacon of hope for my friends in northern Uganda. I am not supporter of this bill. The bill opens the door for the American military to legally militarize Uganda in the name of humanitarian efforts.”

Also saw this in the comments after one defended IC.

“Black Star News Editor's Note:
If I may interject my own point--I respect the points you made in your piece. However, to ignore the crimes of the UPDF in both Uganda and DRC --exceeding those of the vicious LRA several fold-- is to land in the same trap that Invisible Children did. Which is that, in order to oppose and combat the LRA, one has to automatically embrace the miltaristic regime of Yoweri Museveni and to embrace his brutal army; when in fact the LRA and Museveni's army could be seen as opposite sides of the same coin. It's no accident that finally there are calls for the ICC to investigate Museveni and his army (as the ICC wanted to before Ocampo blocked the probe--see Wall Street Journal front page June 8, 2006).”


And finally from a MSM newspaper that isn’t so one sided:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/invisible-childrens-stop-kony-campaign/2012/03/07/gIQA7B31wR_blog.html

If you want to freely support Kony 2012, go ahead, that wasn’t my point. All I am saying is be sure you do your homework and try to find as much information as possible and don’t base any decision on one 30 minute video. Now I don’t know about all of these websites. And if you come to me saying, “There is something you don’t know about these news sources”, then you proved my point.

If I am forced to make a decision on them, I will first try to make an effort to find actual Africans living in Africa and get it from them. Which is hard to do! So far, this is all I got and confirming this person is from Africa is even harder.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DAE/comments/qlqzd/am_i_the_only_one_who_is_suspicious_about/c3yluz5

“my answer would be that this type of paternalistic campaigns cause way more harm than good. uganda has a vibrant civil society which have on their own been very successful in dealing with these problems. so for one outside help is not needed, and secondly this type of attention is the same type we have been given for the past couple of decades in which we are the weak, helpless, poverty sticken, lost cause in need for a knight in shining armor galloping in to africa to save us from ourselves. no thank you, we are more than capable of finding our solutions and fixing our own problems. with regards to the kony situation itself , its way more complicated than this extremely naive film makes it out to be. kony is not a good guy but neither is musavi. this tired old formula of targeting rich white youth for action in africa has to go.”


One other from Reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/qm349/why_the_kony_documentary_and_invisible_children/

“Last year I went to Gulu, Uganda, where Invisible Children is based, and interviewed over 50 locals. Every single person questioned Invisible Children’s legitimacy and intention. Every single person. If anything, it seemed the people saw Invisible Children as a bigger threat than Joseph Kony at the time. Why is it the very people you are trying to “help” feel more offense than relief with your aid?

‘They come here to make money and use us.’

‘It makes us feel terrible to be presented as being so stupid and helpless.’

These are direct quotes. This was the sentiment of the majority of the people that I interviewed in varying degrees. I definitely didn’t see or hear these voices or opinions in your video.”


So yes, there are some that are opposed to this. The last one even says, “I believe your actions will actually bring back the fighting in Northern Uganda. You are not asking for peace, but violence.”

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Satire has already kicked in.

http://i.imgur.com/K3mgn.jpg

Here is the bill they supported:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s1067/text
 
I will say that this is moving, but I will also be very honest about something...

It's true that crimes against humanity (let alone humans) is wrong, but there are criminals much worse than Joseph Kony. There are people that are murdering others worldwide, and not just grown men, this includes women and children too.

There's also a much larger threat to the world: Extinction. We're so caught up in helping each other survive today that we're blind to our future. We're not progressing as human-kind together, we're not moving forward in our technological advancements, we're not even finding ways to make it past our moon in less than a day. Humanity's progress is slowing down because we keep looking at the planet we live on.

The truth is, this planet's resources will eventually run out, and we need to advance forward instead of look back on the past.

While I agree that Joseph Kony should be punished for his crimes, I think that we should be moving forward, moving into the future, moving away from our home planet and striving to survive not just on Earth, but hopefully establish life on other planets.

*Ends rant of randomness*
 
sinfulrook said:
While I agree that Joseph Kony should be punished for his crimes, I think that we should be moving forward, moving into the future, moving away from our home planet and striving to survive not just on Earth, but hopefully establish life on other planets.

*Ends rant of randomness*

This sounds all wet. So you're sayin that findin a way to flutter up into space holds precedence over what we can do here and now to help other people survive? I don't want to be rude because that's not my intent at all, but I really don't understand why you would post that when it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion and even seems to be advocating that we ignore these present cruelties against our fellow man.
 
Thank you Patricio, I know that Dark and I shared this video from a primarily emotional response, kind of happy to know I can still be provoked in such a way, and that as I found out new information I have shared the deceit of Invisible Children as I could. As an organisation I do not think they should be supported; but I can not deny the effectiveness of their video making skills to influence people.

Hopefully from this entire situation the awareness they have created amongst the youth of an individual who has been doing such horrors their entire lives without them even knowing can be partnered with knowledge of the actual situation in hopes that a more effective solution be derived. We don't need boots on the ground; but something should be done and as long as this stays in the public awareness politicians will hopefully continue to act.
 
miles said:
sinfulrook said:
While I agree that Joseph Kony should be punished for his crimes, I think that we should be moving forward, moving into the future, moving away from our home planet and striving to survive not just on Earth, but hopefully establish life on other planets.

*Ends rant of randomness*

This sounds all wet. So you're sayin that findin a way to flutter up into space holds precedence over what we can do here and now to help other people survive? I don't want to be rude because that's not my intent at all, but I really don't understand why you would post that when it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion and even seems to be advocating that we ignore these present cruelties against our fellow man.

If you want to be THAT blunt about it then sure. But no, that is not what I mean at all. Stopping criminals like Joseph Kony (Who by the way does not come up in any top 10 lists of criminals, not FBI, not CIA, but only comes up as #8 in UN's top 10 list of criminals) is important, but I just think that if we focus on trying to reach out past our planet, we would accomplish much more as a race of people.
 
He's number one in that him and his top ranking members of his paramilitary force where the first criminals to have warrants for their arrest issued by the International Criminal Court.

Space travel is nice; but that does not mean we should not help to bring everyone else up to a higher standard a living. If we were to focus on space with everything else left to the wayside then it would only create a larger divide amongst the inhabitants of the world.
 
You know, I don't want to say this shit is all gravy and such, because it's not.
But...
With all due respect and I mean TONS of respect because I have no amount of disdain but;
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This shit is fucking retarded. Yeah sure, blah blah blah. Invisible Children, blah blah blah. Do you guys know how LONG this shit has been going on and NOW everyone wants to care? Come. The. Fuck. On. What's next, the way women are typically treated in the Middle East? This shit has been right there the entire time and only became an issue because some twat decided "Hey, let's trend this shit." The cause is noble SURE, I have as much a problem against it as the next person, but now people only care because it's the "cool" and "hip" thing to do. It's just mindlessly following another cause someone else has made you care about. Supporting the cause isn't the problem because it needs to be stopped, but if it's such an issue than why didn't we start caring all those years ago...?
 
Do you need to be such an idiot?

Sure, it's been going on for decades with this sole individual and far longer as a whole. That's why it's an impossibly complex issue with no easy solution. One of the key steps for finding a solution though is even knowing about it in the first place.

Most people were and still are wholly ignorant of this situation so you can't really fault a movement.

Or do you feel like poking at people saying murder is bad too?
 
While discussion and such is good regarding this topic, let's keep it to either the GD or Academy section. That said, I'm locking this thread and leaving the ones in the other sections open.
 
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