SlutDealer said:
So basically what you're saying is a person shouldn't look at themselves and the things they do in regards what happens to them?
I did not.
That is an incredibly stupid thought.
That's because you committed a straw man fallacy.
This whole topic is based off of a stupid question where a woman asked who's fault a rape was in her hypothetical situation.
The topic is about withdrawing consent after the act is committed. It took a few tangents, however.
She didn't know and you're trying to say that a lot of women ignorant to a mens intentions?
You did not even read the first sentence of what I read, are you even human?
Vekseid said:
Women are quite well aware of male intention, for the most part. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fucking clueless about women.
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At no point did i say someone has to sacrifice having a good time in order to stay safe, I simply stated that people need to be aware of their surroundings, other peoples motivations and consequences of their own actions.
You are simply clueless about how much time and effort women spend on their appearance and personal safety. She screws up once, and then the blame is on her. Go you.
I'm sick of that hippie feel good nonsense where if someone does something stupid and where there's a consequence as a result, they're coddled and told they didn't do anything wrong or have any control over what happened to them. For instance, would it be a bad idea to actually think about if you're ready for sex before putting yourself in that situation?
Your initial post clearly did not reflect the initial post on this topic, so either: You are claiming that she needs to be conscious of her own personal safety every moment - even while she's sleeping - or: You are shifting gears at random to try and suit the needs of your argument, wasting the time of those who would read and respond.
By your logic it wouldn't matter because a woman has no control over her own actions and going farther into your argument one could say a man has no control over his actions either. Notice that I didn't say either party was in the right in the whole scenario and that is because both people did something that was either wrong or incredibly stupid. This whole discussion was brought up with the idea that a woman initiated something that she wasn't ready for and wasn't some random violent abduction off of the street where a woman truly doesn't have any control.
Your initial post did not reflect the initial topic of this post, and thus neither did my response.
But lets humor you, because you're still an idiot.
Of course it would be too much to ask for anyone to ever to get to know their partner well enough so this sort of thing wouldn't happen to them. If someone doesn't respect your request to stop it shows that the aggressor doesn't have respect for their partner which is a basic to any healthy relationship. If all women knew how men were or all the perspectives when it comes to rape then this topic wouldn't have even been put on the board.
You haven't seen very many relationships at work, clearly.
Your comment highlights the idea that women are simply victims without any power over their own lives that is so common in the world today.
This reminds me of the people who claim that if an illiterate person signs away their rights, its their fault because they couldn't read.
No human being is completely cognizant of all the dangers that are posed towards them. We have civilization to divide up this responsibility, and that is why we have come as far as we have - by categorically rejecting bovine fecal matter sure as that sentence.
Instead of acting like women are somehow weaker than men how about you step up and teach them to empower themselves?
You're telling women they're dumber than men, here. Cute.
And physically, women are weaker. This is an empirical fact. That's why the responsibility of disengagement lies with the male in most cases, though certainly not all.
We couldn't have smart strong women able to make an educated decision about their bodies and how they carry themselves; that would get rid of all that feel good talk people say to make themselves feel like their actually doing something. Personally, I'd rather have girls be competent enough take care of themselves instead of being victims but that's just me.
No, you're just vacillating from point to point without presenting a coherent philosophy in an attempt to impress people.
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