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Occam's Razor
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Hey all, it's Occam here.
With my main request thread being somewhat all over the place, I thought I'd take a few dark plots (and, in a couple of cases, a little messed-up!) and post as a separate thread to see if I can find any takers.
In regards to writing style and response rates, etc, I'm looking for multi-paragraph posts, write on threads - either E or BMR - only, and prefer slower-paced replies of around once a week on both sides.
Shoot me a PM if interested, however, please be aware that along with mutually consensual and initiated kink, I'm expecting some of (not all!) these stories to contain realistic, hard non-con with consequences. Apart from finding the concept of a woman coming to enjoy it and riding off into the happily-ever-after sunset with her rapist, unrealistic, I have no interest in romanticising rape or portraying it in a way that doesn't do the true real-life horror/heinousness of the act justice. Neither, on an unrelated note, am I interested in writing opposite subservient or submissive - sexually and otherwise - female characters or in formalised D/s dynamics.
How dark I'm prepared to go is up for discussion and largely dependent on partner preferences. It's not anything I derive sexual energy from, however, the provocateur side of my brain is crying out to write a story that is unique in its intent to disturb the reader.
I'm not stuck on any of the particular plots above. If you've something else in mind for a psychologically dark and provocative scenario which breaks a few taboos, along with the 'female main exists as nothing more than subject of male intent' mould, feel free to throw your ideas at me.
If what's contained in this thread isn't your cup of tea, I enjoy light, romantic, humorous and many other themes as much as I do those towards the darker end of the spectrum, and am keen to discuss a potential collaboration with anyone who thinks we might be a good writing match overall. My main thread, for more general information, is linked above.
Please note it's imperative to maintain my long-term investment in any story that I find partners I relate to and communicate well with OoC, who are enthusiastic about the story we are (or plan to) working on together, so I'd appreciate if some effort is put into any approach. I don't like to be rude but I do like to be honest so I will mention that I'm unlikely to reply to simple one or two line 'I'm interested' type messages that provide me with little to work with and respond to.
Kinks and Anti-kinks
With my main request thread being somewhat all over the place, I thought I'd take a few dark plots (and, in a couple of cases, a little messed-up!) and post as a separate thread to see if I can find any takers.
A base idea that's been in my head for a while that I'd like some help to flesh out.
My character, out of pure mischief, decides that he requires psychological treatment to help resolve his anger issues. Very selective about who he'd bare his soul to, she'd need to be female and attractive. Not one to easily trust, he doesn't intend to reveal all immediately or admit to the series of brutal rapes that's garnered all the media attention even if she is bound by patient confidentiality, but to keep it all hypothetical. And if the Doctor happens to become aroused by what he hypothetically could have done to these women, that's her problem.
So, is he telling the truth or lying? To get into his mind and discover that answer in order to be able to help, she'll need have him explain everything in exquisite detail and perhaps perform physical demonstrations. All in the name of medicine, of course. Just how was the victim kneeling and were her hands tied behind her back or in front, and with what? Was she screaming, crying or begging when he raped her? Is that position even possible?
I imagine this as a game of intellectual cat-and-mouse with their exchanges remaining couched in hypothetical terms for quite a while and incorporating a lot of buildup and wordplay as the talk/actions become incrementally more intense. However, it requires more than just counselling sessions and interaction between Doctor and Client so am looking to add another over-arching plot element.
Does she become a partner in his crimes, enjoying watching him rape other women? Is she married with a boring sex-life and her relationship with her husband change as her demands for him to become increasingly sexually rougher and more violent grow stronger? Does she step outside the relationship, putting herself in dangerous situations, and risking her marriage, career and reputation to sate her new desires? A combination of all or something else entirely? Is he a rapist at all or just a deluded, but ultimately harmless fantasist?
My character, out of pure mischief, decides that he requires psychological treatment to help resolve his anger issues. Very selective about who he'd bare his soul to, she'd need to be female and attractive. Not one to easily trust, he doesn't intend to reveal all immediately or admit to the series of brutal rapes that's garnered all the media attention even if she is bound by patient confidentiality, but to keep it all hypothetical. And if the Doctor happens to become aroused by what he hypothetically could have done to these women, that's her problem.
So, is he telling the truth or lying? To get into his mind and discover that answer in order to be able to help, she'll need have him explain everything in exquisite detail and perhaps perform physical demonstrations. All in the name of medicine, of course. Just how was the victim kneeling and were her hands tied behind her back or in front, and with what? Was she screaming, crying or begging when he raped her? Is that position even possible?
I imagine this as a game of intellectual cat-and-mouse with their exchanges remaining couched in hypothetical terms for quite a while and incorporating a lot of buildup and wordplay as the talk/actions become incrementally more intense. However, it requires more than just counselling sessions and interaction between Doctor and Client so am looking to add another over-arching plot element.
Does she become a partner in his crimes, enjoying watching him rape other women? Is she married with a boring sex-life and her relationship with her husband change as her demands for him to become increasingly sexually rougher and more violent grow stronger? Does she step outside the relationship, putting herself in dangerous situations, and risking her marriage, career and reputation to sate her new desires? A combination of all or something else entirely? Is he a rapist at all or just a deluded, but ultimately harmless fantasist?
He frequented the clubs, not because of the women, well girls really, dancing naked on the stage. He did it because since Amy died and his wife had left there wasn't really much else. At least it took his mind off things for a while. That and his job, it helped keep the anger at bay.
From the moment he saw her, he couldn't get her out of his mind. Not in a lustful way or not that he recognised as such. It was her looks, her smile, her youth, how she reminded him of his daughter. He had the money, he might be able to help her. To help her leave that dirty business, to find something else, to maybe even to go to College.
She was young and she stripped for a living. It was as simple as that. She got naked for strange men and she loved it. She loved the attention, the admiring glances, the money, the fact that all those men wanted to touch her. To have her. Who would want to work their ass off eight hours a day at minimum wage when they could do this?
All he wants to do is help; to offer her the future his daughter never had.
All she wants is what's in his wallet, and will use any means at her disposal to get at it.
As he twigs to her lies and manipulations, kindness turns to hatred and lustful obsession.
There'll be no happy ending.
This is the plot I've previously played out to completion in a lighter//romantic vein, however I have ideas on playing it as a darker story, including a few tweaks to incorporate strong thematic incestuous elements, depending on preferences, but that latter is in no way a must.
From the moment he saw her, he couldn't get her out of his mind. Not in a lustful way or not that he recognised as such. It was her looks, her smile, her youth, how she reminded him of his daughter. He had the money, he might be able to help her. To help her leave that dirty business, to find something else, to maybe even to go to College.
She was young and she stripped for a living. It was as simple as that. She got naked for strange men and she loved it. She loved the attention, the admiring glances, the money, the fact that all those men wanted to touch her. To have her. Who would want to work their ass off eight hours a day at minimum wage when they could do this?
All he wants to do is help; to offer her the future his daughter never had.
All she wants is what's in his wallet, and will use any means at her disposal to get at it.
As he twigs to her lies and manipulations, kindness turns to hatred and lustful obsession.
There'll be no happy ending.
This is the plot I've previously played out to completion in a lighter//romantic vein, however I have ideas on playing it as a darker story, including a few tweaks to incorporate strong thematic incestuous elements, depending on preferences, but that latter is in no way a must.
He’d managed to conceal it his entire life, to hide it from those who would try to change or help him. Sure, some had their suspicions, but it was nothing they could put their finger on, nothing which could be proven – he'd never allow that to happen.
Some knew more than others, of course; the ones he'd hurt before and a couple of his friends. Friends? Maybe acolytes was a better word, 'friends' implied that he was capable of caring for someone other than himself. It wasn't like they'd tell anyone though, the acolytes reaped the benefits, and the others? Well, they'd seen what he was capable of.
Still even then, they didn’t really know, not the whole truth. That underneath the charming, intelligent and friendly exterior there lay a true sociopath totally incapable of remorse or empathy; one whose sole pleasure in life came from the pain of others, who could only feel emotion through their suffering.
From the moment he saw her, he knew. She was just another victim, another toy to play with. He’d charm, befriend, manipulate and isolate her until, in the end, he was the only one she could depend upon, the only one she could trust. In return, he'd be the only one who cared for her and once she trusted him completely, he'd betray her.
They had yet to speak, but he knew how it would be, it would be as it was before. He closed his eyes and the images ran through his mind as if watching a silent movie. He could see the look of pain and disbelief on her face; the dawning realisation that this is what he'd always wanted. Although there was no sound, he knew through her wide open mouth she would be screaming and begging for him to make it stop, pleading for it not to be true.
And he'd watch, and he'd laugh and he'd mock as his friends systematically used and violated her and her mind and body were broken. Her emotions and her pain would become his emotions, his pain, and for that fleeting moment in time he'd be able to feel.
Looking for a particular dynamic in this, in that not a female 'victim' type, but a normal, girl-next-door, and for the relationship to include consensual sex/kink initiated by either/both parties as subtle manipulation occurs behind her back, leading to a brutal, non-consensual coup de grâce.
Some knew more than others, of course; the ones he'd hurt before and a couple of his friends. Friends? Maybe acolytes was a better word, 'friends' implied that he was capable of caring for someone other than himself. It wasn't like they'd tell anyone though, the acolytes reaped the benefits, and the others? Well, they'd seen what he was capable of.
Still even then, they didn’t really know, not the whole truth. That underneath the charming, intelligent and friendly exterior there lay a true sociopath totally incapable of remorse or empathy; one whose sole pleasure in life came from the pain of others, who could only feel emotion through their suffering.
From the moment he saw her, he knew. She was just another victim, another toy to play with. He’d charm, befriend, manipulate and isolate her until, in the end, he was the only one she could depend upon, the only one she could trust. In return, he'd be the only one who cared for her and once she trusted him completely, he'd betray her.
They had yet to speak, but he knew how it would be, it would be as it was before. He closed his eyes and the images ran through his mind as if watching a silent movie. He could see the look of pain and disbelief on her face; the dawning realisation that this is what he'd always wanted. Although there was no sound, he knew through her wide open mouth she would be screaming and begging for him to make it stop, pleading for it not to be true.
And he'd watch, and he'd laugh and he'd mock as his friends systematically used and violated her and her mind and body were broken. Her emotions and her pain would become his emotions, his pain, and for that fleeting moment in time he'd be able to feel.
Looking for a particular dynamic in this, in that not a female 'victim' type, but a normal, girl-next-door, and for the relationship to include consensual sex/kink initiated by either/both parties as subtle manipulation occurs behind her back, leading to a brutal, non-consensual coup de grâce.
One rather messed-up idea I have is for a Victorian England, Jack-the-Ripper mixed with a dash of Frankenstein and Dr Jekkyl and Mr Hyde dark romance serial killer slasher theme. I've the basic (fucked-up!) premise for sitting in my head, but need someone to help me flesh it out along with them keen on going to dark - both emotionally and in a graphic sex-and violence sense - lengths with it.
That is, Jack being motivated by never having recovered from the trauma of being responsible for the accidental death of his first love, and believing he can bring her back to life if only he can find all the right parts. Paired opposite a married/taken woman of status obsessed with the news of his depraved deeds; needing to maintain the facade of a normal existence as she searches him out and becomes ever more consumed by the dark.
That is, Jack being motivated by never having recovered from the trauma of being responsible for the accidental death of his first love, and believing he can bring her back to life if only he can find all the right parts. Paired opposite a married/taken woman of status obsessed with the news of his depraved deeds; needing to maintain the facade of a normal existence as she searches him out and becomes ever more consumed by the dark.
Asking For It - I haven't read the novel - yet - but the premise of Asking For It by Lilah Pace intriques me. Would be interesting in finding a partner to work up something along similiar lines.
What I'm looking for in this story is the character dynamic with a concentration on the negotiation of their limits and the agreement. Plus a focus on the guilt/regrets both have in regards to their specific kinks, the psychology behind them and how they deal with that in the context of what appears to outsides to be seemingly 'normal' relationship particularly as they develop more romantic feelings towards each other.
What I'm looking for in this story is the character dynamic with a concentration on the negotiation of their limits and the agreement. Plus a focus on the guilt/regrets both have in regards to their specific kinks, the psychology behind them and how they deal with that in the context of what appears to outsides to be seemingly 'normal' relationship particularly as they develop more romantic feelings towards each other.
He was a thirty-something security consultant, highly intelligent and respected by his peers. She was a twenty-something college student, bright and attractive, your typical girl next door. He was a psychopath, she had a dangerous kink. He wrote of raping and killing young women, she got off to seeing others in pain. They met in an underground chat-room, where she issued a challenge. Did he really have the balls, or was it all talk? That's how the partnership began.
Whilst I expect the interactions between the male and female leads in any story decided upon to contain mental and physical violence, both sexual and non-sexual, I am looking for a fellow protagonist, and an equal, not a Master/Apprentice or Villiain/Victim type dynamic, although the latter is where it could potentially end up. Not for the squeamish, I envisage it being a Richard Laymon-esque serial killer/slasher movie story, along the lines of 'Natural Born Killers', on steroids, but with more character development and plot.
Depraved, dark, but also fun and light-hearted at times, many kinks and acts of perversion are on the table in service of the story. They're not anything I derive sexual energy from, however, I do want to write a unique, provocative and shocking story, with few limits. Whist I've many ideas of where it could go and how it could work, I'm also open to your suggestions. You want to throw a few male victims in there, or have them forced to watch as their girlfriends are raped, tortured and murdered? Sure, why not.
In regard to the characters I'm more searching for realistically portrayed sociopaths than 'crazies' or too 'over-the-top' personalities as I think keeping that tone and playing them as intelligent and 'normal' enough to be completely self-aware of their own complete lack of empathy towards their victims and the grief to be suffered by their families - but not giving a shit; in fact reveling in it -, and making that as much a part of the story as the acts they commit to be the more psychologically provocative. Which with this type of collaboration and theme is one of the reasons for wanting to write it.
Whilst I expect the interactions between the male and female leads in any story decided upon to contain mental and physical violence, both sexual and non-sexual, I am looking for a fellow protagonist, and an equal, not a Master/Apprentice or Villiain/Victim type dynamic, although the latter is where it could potentially end up. Not for the squeamish, I envisage it being a Richard Laymon-esque serial killer/slasher movie story, along the lines of 'Natural Born Killers', on steroids, but with more character development and plot.
Depraved, dark, but also fun and light-hearted at times, many kinks and acts of perversion are on the table in service of the story. They're not anything I derive sexual energy from, however, I do want to write a unique, provocative and shocking story, with few limits. Whist I've many ideas of where it could go and how it could work, I'm also open to your suggestions. You want to throw a few male victims in there, or have them forced to watch as their girlfriends are raped, tortured and murdered? Sure, why not.
In regard to the characters I'm more searching for realistically portrayed sociopaths than 'crazies' or too 'over-the-top' personalities as I think keeping that tone and playing them as intelligent and 'normal' enough to be completely self-aware of their own complete lack of empathy towards their victims and the grief to be suffered by their families - but not giving a shit; in fact reveling in it -, and making that as much a part of the story as the acts they commit to be the more psychologically provocative. Which with this type of collaboration and theme is one of the reasons for wanting to write it.
*A prominent defence lawyer takes on the case of a serial rapist, only to discover that the accused is the very same man who raped and left her for dead, years before.
* An expose on the world of porn. Possibly some very dark content, even to the extent of snuff films, somewhat along the lines of the film 8mm with Nick Cage. Not looking for a 'victim' female main character, but one to work alongside mine, possibly the friend of a girl who's gone missing after entering the industry, however, would envisage multiple characters and various scenario for the female as she goes underground to obtain information. As usual, the vague idea sits in my head, and need help to solidify it.
* If anyone knows Richard Laymon, a story concept similar to that of In the Dark
* A young woman accused of the murder of her family and boyfriend is bailed old by a relative/family friend who believes in her innocence, only to discover the girl is much more than appears to be, leading to a sexual powerplay, infidelity, betrayal, and death. (as usual, have ideas for this sitting in my head, but need someone to bounce off to help flesh them out)
*A Female Cop/FBI agent, relatively young and newly promoted, looking to prove her mettle, and a serial-killer pairing. Maybe her promotion received a lot of media attention and he targets her for communication, which she hides from her superiors, determined to take him down alone. Leading to a battle of wills and words, and potentially a partnership/affair between them.
*Your ideas
* An expose on the world of porn. Possibly some very dark content, even to the extent of snuff films, somewhat along the lines of the film 8mm with Nick Cage. Not looking for a 'victim' female main character, but one to work alongside mine, possibly the friend of a girl who's gone missing after entering the industry, however, would envisage multiple characters and various scenario for the female as she goes underground to obtain information. As usual, the vague idea sits in my head, and need help to solidify it.
* If anyone knows Richard Laymon, a story concept similar to that of In the Dark
* A young woman accused of the murder of her family and boyfriend is bailed old by a relative/family friend who believes in her innocence, only to discover the girl is much more than appears to be, leading to a sexual powerplay, infidelity, betrayal, and death. (as usual, have ideas for this sitting in my head, but need someone to bounce off to help flesh them out)
*A Female Cop/FBI agent, relatively young and newly promoted, looking to prove her mettle, and a serial-killer pairing. Maybe her promotion received a lot of media attention and he targets her for communication, which she hides from her superiors, determined to take him down alone. Leading to a battle of wills and words, and potentially a partnership/affair between them.
*Your ideas
In regards to writing style and response rates, etc, I'm looking for multi-paragraph posts, write on threads - either E or BMR - only, and prefer slower-paced replies of around once a week on both sides.
Shoot me a PM if interested, however, please be aware that along with mutually consensual and initiated kink, I'm expecting some of (not all!) these stories to contain realistic, hard non-con with consequences. Apart from finding the concept of a woman coming to enjoy it and riding off into the happily-ever-after sunset with her rapist, unrealistic, I have no interest in romanticising rape or portraying it in a way that doesn't do the true real-life horror/heinousness of the act justice. Neither, on an unrelated note, am I interested in writing opposite subservient or submissive - sexually and otherwise - female characters or in formalised D/s dynamics.
How dark I'm prepared to go is up for discussion and largely dependent on partner preferences. It's not anything I derive sexual energy from, however, the provocateur side of my brain is crying out to write a story that is unique in its intent to disturb the reader.
I'm not stuck on any of the particular plots above. If you've something else in mind for a psychologically dark and provocative scenario which breaks a few taboos, along with the 'female main exists as nothing more than subject of male intent' mould, feel free to throw your ideas at me.
If what's contained in this thread isn't your cup of tea, I enjoy light, romantic, humorous and many other themes as much as I do those towards the darker end of the spectrum, and am keen to discuss a potential collaboration with anyone who thinks we might be a good writing match overall. My main thread, for more general information, is linked above.
Please note it's imperative to maintain my long-term investment in any story that I find partners I relate to and communicate well with OoC, who are enthusiastic about the story we are (or plan to) working on together, so I'd appreciate if some effort is put into any approach. I don't like to be rude but I do like to be honest so I will mention that I'm unlikely to reply to simple one or two line 'I'm interested' type messages that provide me with little to work with and respond to.
Kinks and Anti-kinks
In regards to acts/kinks I won't include a lot of detail or expand on the why's and wherefore of specific ones. As with most everything else with me, it's the context an act takes place in that makes something enjoyable for me to write rather than a specific acts in and of themselves, and I'm open to many and varied. Although I will say, my characters do have a particular penchant for digital and oral, on both sides.
For more detailed information, please refer to my F-List, and presume that anything not in the same vein as any of my hard no's is negotiable. Even some of those may be negotiable as well depending on if they're appropriate to the story.
What I'm into:
*Intelligent and independent-minded females; my biggest kink, by far
*Good dialogue, banter, humour, a battle of wits
*Provocation/Power plays
*Sexually confident women. Confident women in general
*Dangerous and/or taboo situations
*Public Sex
*Ménage à trois/Threesomes, MMF or MFF
*Exhibitionism
*Infidelity
* Taboo pairings
*Consensual
*Rough Sex
*Force/manipulation (psychological/verbal)
*Force/Hard Rape - no compassion, no remorse.
* BDSM - Just because I have no interest in Dom/sub doesn't mean I have no interest in BDSM practices, but I will quickly become bored if this is the only sexual component to a story
*Age differences
*Teasing
*Foreplay/Buildup/Sexual tension
*Multiple partners/gangbangs (forced or mutual)
*Seduction
What I'm not into:
*Tentacles and Non-humanoid
*Typical 'Master/Slave' and/or 'Dom/Sub' pairings - way too cliché and overdone. I was bored of them before Shades of Grey was released
* Naive/innocent/blushing virgin type female characters
* Solely sexually submissive female characters
*Rape scenarios where she 'ends up loving it'. I find these unrealistic, and as mentioned previously, if I am going to write a rape scenario, I will only write those which do the full horror of the heinous act it is in real-life, justice.
*Beastiality
*Scat
*Impregnation/Pregnancy
*Vore
*Willing subservience / submissiveness/deference
For more detailed information, please refer to my F-List, and presume that anything not in the same vein as any of my hard no's is negotiable. Even some of those may be negotiable as well depending on if they're appropriate to the story.
What I'm into:
*Intelligent and independent-minded females; my biggest kink, by far
*Good dialogue, banter, humour, a battle of wits
*Provocation/Power plays
*Sexually confident women. Confident women in general
*Dangerous and/or taboo situations
*Public Sex
*Ménage à trois/Threesomes, MMF or MFF
*Exhibitionism
*Infidelity
* Taboo pairings
*Consensual
*Rough Sex
*Force/manipulation (psychological/verbal)
*Force/Hard Rape - no compassion, no remorse.
* BDSM - Just because I have no interest in Dom/sub doesn't mean I have no interest in BDSM practices, but I will quickly become bored if this is the only sexual component to a story
*Age differences
*Teasing
*Foreplay/Buildup/Sexual tension
*Multiple partners/gangbangs (forced or mutual)
*Seduction
What I'm not into:
*Tentacles and Non-humanoid
*Typical 'Master/Slave' and/or 'Dom/Sub' pairings - way too cliché and overdone. I was bored of them before Shades of Grey was released
* Naive/innocent/blushing virgin type female characters
* Solely sexually submissive female characters
*Rape scenarios where she 'ends up loving it'. I find these unrealistic, and as mentioned previously, if I am going to write a rape scenario, I will only write those which do the full horror of the heinous act it is in real-life, justice.
*Beastiality
*Scat
*Impregnation/Pregnancy
*Vore
*Willing subservience / submissiveness/deference
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